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aroyaldukeThe first is occupied by a 92 year-old Prince Philip, a man who successfully surmounted his upbringing by a mother who was profoundly deaf, and who was committed to a mental hospital when he was eight; and by his father Prince Andrew of Greece, who had promptly deserted his young family and went off to live with his mistress.

He served his adopted country superbly during World War Two, seeing wartime action aboard HMS Ramillies &  HMS Valiant, and destroyer service aboard HMS Wallace amd HMS Whelp. The Wallace survived a night-time bombing by German aircraft through the agile mind of the young Lieutenant, who organised a raft with smoke floats which fooled the enemy bombers into targeting the float, thus allowing the destroyer to move quietly away from the targeted area.

He met, wooed and married a young Princess Elizabeth, and, once she assumed the Crown on the sad and untimely death of her beloved father George VI, undertook the role of Consort to his wife, now of course our Queen Elizabeth the 2nd. He promised to be her ‘‘liege-man of life and limb’, and has kept that promise for well over sixty years.

He has performed many thousands of engagements both with the Queen and solo, and his Duke of Edinburgh awards have been the backbone of a long life of service to the Nation. He has suffered bad health for some time, and is now in hospital to allow the medical people to determine what the problems are with his elderly body.

He is, as far as this commentator is concerned, a fantastic man, a good husband,  a brave man whose steadfast loyalty and love have singled him out as a good man; whose family have shown him and his wife that they are all too human, and his well-publicised ‘sense of humour’ is just a man stating his own mind without the cautions of diplomacy.

 

 

The other bed is occupied by Nelson Mandela, the former terrorist and ex-President of South Africa.

 

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  1. The thread is very typically Mike Cunningham.

    The former terrorist and ex-President of South Africa

    Yeah, and he’s a bloody Kaffir too.

  2. Much as I don’t look forward to the BBC/Guardian outburst and river of grief when Mandela dies, and well recognise he was a long-time member of the SA Communist Party, it was the non-tribal, anti-apartheid section of that party that prevailed – to a large degree at his behest – and enabled a relatively peaceful transition of power when the Afrikaners decided to abandon their hegemony and that cruel and disastrous policy.

  3. I have nothing against the prince, but let’s face it-he’s lived the life of a celebrity, while the great Mandela is a major world historical figure.

    One suffered for many years for his country, and it wasn’t the prince.

  4. I think some folks are being too hard on Mike. With his kind words about Prince Philip it may be the first time he has had kind words for an immigrant.

  5. I was gonna keep that one up my sleeve Mahons but you’ve beat me to the punch 🙂

    Any, wasn’t Mike an immigrant himself?

  6. Mike Cunningham is probably sitting back and chuckling to himself after posting this silly bit of provocation.

  7. The ending of apartheid seemed a good idea at the time. It’s just a pity that the whites didn’t set up their own enclave in the Cape with the coloured relatives and at least a part of sub-Saharan Africa would have remained civilised.

  8. Mandela authorised the Church Street bombing which murdered 19 and maimed and injured many more.

    Nothing he did after could mitigate this.

  9. I have nothing against the prince, but let’s face it-he’s lived the life of a celebrity, while the great Mandela is a major world historical figure.
    One suffered for many years for his country, and it wasn’t the prince.

    Phantom — To Mike, he’s just a filthy n****R.

  10. Petr,

    Well you are the one to suggest such thing, – are you making an assumption that perhaps owes more to your mentality and predilections than Mikes?

    I notice that Paul was also very quick to make assumptions, and use racist terminology. Do you guys get some sort vicarious thrill when you write such words? perhaps you think their use is quite daring!

    The only offensive word I found in Mikes post was ‘terrorist’ – calling someone an ‘abject coward’ in such a derogative way is really pushing the insults – don’t you think?

    So the score is – two uses of racist lingo to our pissant socialist pretenders, and a possible one to our right wing advocate.

  11. Absolutely I was quick to make such assumptions, I used the tone of this and previous posts to make such assumptions.

    Have you never used such language? If the answer is no I’ll find it hard to believe but I’ll take your word for it.

    Pissant socialist pretenders

    Now who’s making the assumptions? I’m not a socialist, (whatever that is), pissant or otherwise.

  12. I notice that Paul was also very quick to make assumptions, and use racist terminology.

    Ernest – the likes of Paul resort very quickly to what they consider to be insults in the belief a) that it ends the debate in their favour – it doesn’t, and b) that the recipient of the insult will be offended – I’m not. In fact, whenever I engage with the likes of Paul, I will admit quite openly to being ‘racist’ insofar as I want my country to be populated by my people in predominance and perpetuity. Additionally when I assert that the entirety of the modern world is the result of white ingenuity, the likes of Paul lose the plot completely.

    It’s the same when I challenge Agit on any jewish question. The other day, he was quite happily telling Petr that jewish ‘intellectuals’ ran the ‘Russian (none were Russian) Revolution then when I pointed out that millions of Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death on the orders of this same clique, he denied its veracity.

  13. Allan, you’re talking spheres in your first paragraph. Particularly the first and last sentences.

  14. Paul,

    I did say ‘socialist pretenders’, – now that covers a pretty large spectrum of half-baked, ill thought out ideology, – which just happens to also cover most ideas that the younger generations put forth. Nothing personal, of course, it is just the way things are.

    Of course I have used such language, but with reason and conviction. My generation are quite used to using, and being the target of such terminology, everyone had their favourite words and their use was not considered so heinously offensive as they are today, in fact many were considered as tokens of friendship.

    To me – although I rarely use it, ‘scum’ seems to be quite generic, and just about covers any insult I wish to make, although I am beginning to think, – mainly from the denials of being such, – that ‘socialist’ could quite easily replace it.

  15. I notice that Paul was also very quick to make assumptions, and use racist terminology.

    Of course I have used such language, but with reason and conviction.

    So my assumption was correct then. Thank you for such honesty.

  16. Ah yes indeed.. the good old days, when black people loved being called nasty names, it never bothered them a bit. Now because of BLOODY POLITICAL CORRECTNESS racism gets called out. It’s no fun any more.

  17. Paul,

    My criticism was of your alacrity in jumping to that conclusion, especially as there was nothing in Mikes post to presuppose his intention.

    Your attempt to change your assumption from him to me, is what might well be called duplicitous.

    We all make assumptions, but you just couldn’t wait to show, in whatever trivial way that you could, your dislike of Mike’s opinion, – even to using the very word you assume he might use, and in a similar context. Just how nasty a word can it be? you used it yourself

    Naughty! – naughty! Pauly!…

  18. no longer a third worlder, he’s an emerging marketeer doncha ya know. And…leprosy is curable.

  19. There are people out there, who are such massive headbangers, they’d regard it as racist (and mean it pejoratively) to object to leprosy-ridden Brazilians turning up in Meath.

  20. There are people out there, who are such massive headbangers, they’d regard it as racist (and mean it pejoratively) to object to leprosy-ridden Brazilians turning up in Meath.

    Petr – do you consider the comment by Pete above and the fact that I even raised the matter to be ‘racist’?

  21. Petr is an expert on evasion – his only field of expertise. Someone like myself or Pete will ask Petr a question which gets to the core of an issue and would reveal his stupidity, ignorance, treason, or any combination of the three if answered. But here’s the get-out clause: Petr won’t debate with ‘racists’ 🙂

  22. I see the ATW (Up the) Workers Brigades have been busy again.
    Wave those red flags edged with green* my bhoyos!

    The way some of you are talking here amongst all his other failings he might as well reveal himself to be Jewish and circumcised…

    Prince Philip’s role in our monarch’s life has not been easy. He has to defer to her in public, he has to try and watch what he says whilst remaining his own person. He has stood by her through thick and thin, and if he has committed gaffes, well as DV says elsewhere, we all have feet of clay.

    All I see evidenced here is bitterness and bigotry from the usual suspects, who for some strange reason believe that anyone born into a family with any hint of privilege or patronage is automatically an enemy, a sponger or a parasite.

    All that tolerance and high falutin’ brotherly understanding flies out of the window at times like this, and you show yourselves to be truly “little people.”

  23. ps
    *Green: the colour of jealousy and envy.
    Inverted snobbery perhaps,as displayed by so many in the Labour Party who couldn’t wait to become “Lords..”

  24. Apart from financial security, which I assume he never had any real problem with, he had a pretty rubbish childhood with little other security. He also had a lot of tragedy in his youth.

    Although his sisters married Germans (NAZIs maybe), he was apparently less than impressed with Hitler. He got into trouble at school in Germany for laughing at anyone giving a NAZI salute.

  25. Agit8ed

    Did you actually read any of the comments on this thread ? You have demonstrated a spectacular ability to see what isn’t there.

  26. The point is that it is not the circumstances of your birth which make you a decent or a great person, it is what you do when confronted with real life choices and the “slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.”
    I doubt our Queen could have coped with all the pressures without Philip, and who wouldn’t want a spouse who stood by them through thick and thin.

  27. Of course I read them Colm.
    And I was referring to the ones that attacked Prince Philip.

  28. My criticism was of your alacrity in jumping to that conclusion, especially as there was nothing in Mikes post to presuppose his intention.
    Your attempt to change your assumption from him to me, is what might well be called duplicitous.

    As I said previously Ernest I used the tone of this and previous posts to make such assumptions. Now, I don’t want to have to dredge the ATW archives for examples but I’m sure you understand what I mean.

    Wat you term ‘duplicitous’ was a result of your comment regarding myself and was fully justified in that context.

    Wave those red flags edged with green* my bhoyos!

    There he goes with that Irish obsession that he’s so quick to accuse others of.

  29. I don’t actually know enough about NM to know for sure if he is one of the good guys. bad guys or mixed guys. People whose judgement and knowledge I respect have very varied views. If some of the things he is said to have been involved in are true and he hasn’t repented then he is one of the bad,

    Winnie is evil. I like to think that this is why he broke away and would like to think he was one of the good guys.

  30. Sarah – Very good.

    AIleen- Yes, Winnie was pure evil. I also think a bit mad.

  31. Aileen

    I will answer it for you. Mandela is one of the good guys. One of the very very good guys in International politics. His behaviour, deeply magnanimous and forgiving when in a position of great power saved South Africa from a potential dreadfull bloodbath and turmoil on the changeover from Apartheid and for that he deserves the praise and admiration he has received.

    Agit8ed

    I would still like you to point out all the supposed attacks on Prince Philip on this thread which you have claimed to read.

  32. Colm

    Well thanks but I didn’t actually ask 😉

    Be interesting to see if you get an answer to your query though 🙂

  33. Aileen

    I have the magic ability to know when someone needs a question answering, even when they didn’t know it themselves 😉

    My annoyance with Mr Cunninghams’s post is that instead of just making it a tribute to his views on Prince Philip and his good wishes for him during his hospital stay, he felt the need to turn the post into a snide and unnecessary dig at Nelson Mandela, just because both of them are in hospital at the same time. To me it actually demonstrates his supposed admiration for the Prince to be nothing more than a ruse to prompt a pathetic cheap jibe at Mr Mandela.

  34. Phantom

    I was referring to Winnie Mandela. Mahons may have a grudge against Churchill or has heard some dark deeds of a certain honey loving bear. 😉

  35. Colm

    I don’t disagree with your assessment of the motives of the post. It is also regrettable that it provided a platform for the spiteful attacks on Prince Philip that are apparently a feature of the comments 😉

  36. Aileen

    Oh dear. You seem to have caught agit8ed’s delusional ailment !

    I now have to ask you the same question I asked Agit8ed. Where on this thread are the spiteful attacks on Prince Philip ?

  37. I think that Winnie Mandela has / had psychological problems. Her actions were not the actions of a sane person.

  38. Colm

    Well Phantom (one of the ATW Up the Workers Brigade) said that he didn’t suffer for many years for his country – mean spirited leftie bastard that he is.

    Oh and Mahons (another died in the wool Trot) referred to him as an immigrant (mind you for some that in itself is a damning accusation). The other attacks have gone over my head. I mean there couldn’t be such a rant without grounds could there? 😉

  39. Moi? A died in the wool Trot? Madame, lay off the sherry!

    My dig was not at poor Prince Phillip but rather at Mike (for who being an immigrant is a damning accusation). I wish the Prince well as I wished his wife well on the 60th Anniversary of her coronation.

  40. I have just entered the Twilight Zone where Colm and Mahons have taken my last two comments seriously. I wonder if the weather will be better in this alternative universe 🙂

  41. Winnie could have been a reference to Churchill, who also was called Winnie at times.

    Winnie Mandela was a racist, part of the problem, entirely lacking all the human decency that her former husband had.

    The post was a clumsy attempt to say that the Prince was a better man than Mandela.

    Now, come on.

    The prince is an OK guy in an symbolic position. But he’s not in the same universe as Mandela. If you’re going to compare the men, as this post does, for reasons that can never be fathomed, don’t you need to say that in some way?

  42. Aileen – Funny. And yes, the weather will have to be better.

    Phantom – And they both smoked cigars.

  43. Phantom – just checking – you didn’t think I was seriously calling you a mean spirited leftie bastard or that I considered your comment an attack on PP: 😀

  44. Aileen

    You’re cool with me, now and always.

    Cheers 🙂

    Soon, off for a nice bike ride on one of the lovely June days.

  45. Aileen

    OK hands up – yes your gently sarcastic humour proved even too subtle for me. I am still determined to get Agit8ed to admit he was WRONG WRONG WRONG 🙂

  46. “Exactly Agit8ed – Please point to the comments that attacked Prince Philip.”

    “I have nothing against the prince, but let’s face it-he’s lived the life of a celebrity, while the great Mandela is a major world historical figure.

    One suffered for many years for his country, and it wasn’t the prince. (Phantom)”

    “I have nothing against the prince, but let’s face it-he’s lived the life of a celebrity, while the great Mandela is a major world historical figure.
    One suffered for many years for his country, and it wasn’t the prince.

    Phantom — To Mike, he’s just a filthy n****R.” (Petr.)

    “Aileen

    OK hands up – yes your gently sarcastic humour proved even too subtle for me. I am still determined to get Agit8ed to admit he was WRONG WRONG WRONG”

    Okay,
    hands up.
    I am now back at the computer after some time off with da gout and had time to look through the posts.
    First off,
    Originally I was responding to Petr’s response to Phantom. I have to admit I hadn’t seen Phantom’s original post. I was responding to Petr, “Champion of the Oppressed” wherever they may be found. The man who is always ready to demonstrate, but is strangely coy about how to resolve problems.
    For the rest of it I hold up my hands: I was wrong wrong wrong.

  47. Petr,
    Thank you.
    I would like to say that the gout was down to that Albanian Chardonnay or Pete’s Brandy mashes, but according to the Doc it had to do with the medication I take to keep the airways open..

    I have not been a very happy bunny this last week or so, but looking at the site today I see that Mahons has taken a break – I I hope he uses it to further develop his writing talents, and Harri has obviously taken the huff thanks to you. 😉

    Ah well….

  48. Agit8ed,

    Ah! those doctors! whatever they prescribe, it seems to always be a case of ‘kill or cure’.

    Whatever, – it’s good to see you back!…

  49. Ernest,
    Thankyou!
    I am learning that as one gets older there is always a slight element of surprise when one resurfaces after an illness…. 😉
    Unfortunately medication has unintended consequences. I thank God for scientists and researchers, but the more medication you take, the more “juggling” doctors have to do. As you venerable Sir, probably know.
    I find it quite difficult to accept that I can no longer shift the amount of earth I once could, and was being told off by anxious creditors when I pushed a wheel barrow up a narrow plank on the edge of a skip.
    You want to say,
    “Garn, it’s easy!” but secretly your 67 year old bod finds it somewhat more hair raising than you like to admit to the admiring onlookers..

    Anyway the gout seems to have calmed down so all is well.

  50. Agit8ed,

    I try not to rely on any medication, it seems the more you use it the less effective it becomes – and the side effects of any of them can be disasterous.

    The only advice I can give on any physical activity, is – ‘don’t overdo it!’ any damage to the infrastructure takes longer to heal the older you get so don’t let foolish pride push you into acts of physical bravado.

    Do what you ave to do, but realise it’s going to take a bit longer than it used to – itself an unexpected advantage in some aspects of the senior lifestyle, – so conserve your energies for the more tender, emotional activities, – like playing crib or bridge, or whatever! – I jest, I’m sure you get my drift.

    You can still do anythng you fancy – you just need a to pace yourself a bit more, you are no use to anyone laying in bed moaning and groaning!

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