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Last evening saw the BBC host another of the Election Debates. It had the Greens (Hard left) the SNP (Hard left) Plaid Cymru (Hard Left) Labour (Hard left) and UKIP (Right). The audience was the most biased I have EVER witnessed and this was continually evidenced when Nigel Farage’s comments were either met in stony silence ( as when he suggested we must take better care of our Army veterans) or else just booed (When he pointed out that we must control our own borders). By contrast, the wild pledges from the leftists to “restore the power of the trade unions” and “to remove our Nuclear deterrent” and “Remove the evils of austerity and start spending” were met with thunderous applause. I think the entire event is summed up in this image
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Farage stands alone, the Leftists congratulate each other.

One final point. Readers will know I am an implacable opponent of the DUP. But it was a total disgrace that they were EXCLUDED from this debate last night.

They had EIGHT MP’s.

Plaid Cymru were invited. They have THREE MP’s.

The Green Party was invited. They have ONE MP.

The SNP had the starring role. They had 6 MP’s.

The BBC bias and their distortions may cost this country more than the £3 BILLION it extorts each year from the License tax. Last night saw the left wing media establishment in the form of the BBC push the toxic left wing political establishment and it was an absolute disgrace.

 

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55 thoughts on “UNDERSTANDING THE ESTABLISHMENT

  1. “to remove our Nuclear deterrent”

    when you consider the state of the British Military and the build up of the Russian Military you better rethink that thought.

  2. I have to agree about the DUP. The SNP and Plaid Cymru want to wealkedn the UK and it could be argued that UKIP are effectively an English nationalist party. I don’t agree with the DUP’s belief in the UK but it’s a perspective that was missing from the debate.

    It’s almost like the British don’t care about Northern Ireland.

  3. //I have to agree about the DUP. The SNP and Plaid Cymru want to weaken the UK//

    Probably neither has weakened the “UK” as much as the DUP and its antics has.

    The main British parties are up for election in England, Scotland and Wales, but not in NI. If they went forward in NI, they’d gain about as much electoral support as the NI faction of ISIS.
    NI is a totally separate political game and obviously needs a separate debate.

    //The audience was the most biased I have EVER witnessed//

    I think it’s time you realised that it’s the British electorate that’s biased.

  4. they’d gain about as much electoral support as the NI faction of ISIS.

    Noel does SF/IRA receive electoral support in NI ? YES

    There is no difference between the SF/IRA and ISIS. They are both a political party of Terrorists.

    Just one more thing you lack the ability to grasp. SF/IRA and ISIS are exactly the same thing.

  5. Noel

    NI is a totally separate political game and obviously needs a separate debate.

    Could Labour and the Tories exclude the SNP from the debates by not running in Scotland? They are all being elected to the same parliament and any of the parties including the DUP could end up playing a decisive role. In the case of the DUP it would probably be as part of a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition.

    So the British people could end up with a party in power they were never introduced to in the debates.

  6. Could Labour and the Tories exclude the SNP from the debates by not running in Scotland?

    If they did that, 100% of the Scots would opt for independence, but otherwise a great idea.

  7. So the SNP and PC want to decide who is to be Prime Minister of the UK . If ever there was a case for English independence this is it ; England would flourish if freed of the dead weight of Scotland , Wales and NI .

  8. //They are all being elected to the same parliament //

    A debate is only meaningful between competitors, and CON/LAB etc don’t compete for votes with DUP/SF etc.

  9. England would flourish if freed of the dead weight of Scotland , Wales and NI .

    Plus they would be freed of having to deal with the children and their antics every so on.

  10. “England would flourish if freed of the dead weight of Scotland , Wales and NI”

    Indeed it would. Cut them loose and let God sort them out.

  11. I don’t often talk politics with my English pals in London, but this is a comment I have heard more than once from them. It’s not the money, its the Bullshit Without End, Amen.

  12. There is no difference between the SF/IRA and ISIS. They are both a political party of Terrorists.
    Just one more thing you lack the ability to grasp. SF/IRA and ISIS are exactly the same thing

    God’s teeth, that must rank as a contender for one of the most uninformed political statements ever made.

    So the SNP and PC want to decide who is to be Prime Minister of the UK

    That might be the price of maintaining the Union, is it too high a price? If not what is too high a price?

    If ever there was a case for English independence this is it

    Agreed 100%

  13. England and the rest of the UK would flourish if freed from the EU – that’s teh only real independence.

  14. Cunning Noel –

    The main British parties are up for election in England, Scotland and Wales, but not in NI.

    The Tory Party is up for election n NI, as the Ulster Unionist Party with which it’s in partnership.

    The DUP is up for election only in NI, but the SNP and Plaid Cymru stick onluy to Wales and Scotland, and the DUP has more seats than them. The Green Party is UK-wide since it represents the BBC political establishment. You can’t switch the radio on without hearing Nuttily Bennett, and they have a grand total of one seat.

    So by any measure, the DUP should have been given the same audience as the Celtic/Green communists.

  15. Paul – I want any or all of the UK out of the EU. If Scotland has to get independence from London in order to be booted out of the EU then so be it.

  16. Only an economic imbecile would believe that there is no connection between demand for housing and the massive increase in population.
    But this apparently is the belief of the four left wingers on the platform along with most of the studio audience.
    I’m now beginning to understand why the Falkland Islanders (above) prefer life there!

  17. Paul – I want any or all of the UK out of the EU. If Scotland has to get independence from London in order to be booted out of the EU then so be it.

    I thought you’d go for the anti Europe line Allan but that wasn’t the question.

    Disregarding the EU would you consider yourself a unionist in UK terms?

    It’s not a loaded question I’m merely curious on where you stand on the union.

  18. The real disgrace of last night was Cameron’s refusal to take part. As if it was beneath him.

  19. Paul – I’m not too bothered about the union or any border as long as these islands remain predominantly and perpetually populated by the indigenous of each country.

  20. Paul McMahon –

    Yes, but that’s just a local branch of what is “The Conservative and Unionist Party”, to give it it’s full name. The last I heard, it still had a deal with the UUP for general elections.

  21. Paul McMahon –

    That’s ancient history. I remember Cameron and Reg Empey did a deal before the 2010 election.

  22. That’s ancient history. I remember Cameron and Reg Empey did a deal before the 2010 election

    Possibly but I’m referring to the ending of the formal link in the wake of the AIA.

  23. Back on topic:

    Last night saw the left wing media establishment in the form of the BBC push the toxic left wing political establishment

    This was the moment Farage insulted both the panel and audience claiming both had ‘a total lack of comprehension’ before attempting the ‘poor me’ card until he was shot down by Dimbley:

  24. And judging by the audience’s reaction, Farage was right.

    Even muddling of the road hacks are reporting that Farage was booed throughout and met with stony silence at best, while every looney crackpot policy from the commies next to him was enthusiastically applauded.

    So it was the standard BBC Question Time audience.

  25. That Independent Polling Organisation sure an pick them eh?

    Maybe it was just representative of the public?

  26. That depends on what Dimblebore meant by “independent” and what its remit was. Pollsters are interested in politics and are therefore not truly independent individually. I can work for an “independent” polling organisation and try to stuff the pews with libertarians.

    I didn’t see the debate, what with me knowing in advance what would be said and not desiring to be led by anyone else, but from the clip it looked just like the BBC Question Time audience, which no-one denies is always bent to the Left.

    Portillo seems to have grasped it, and I never thought I’d say that –

    The other thing that struck me about the debate was the unreality of it all. The first question was from a young person who said, “you’re passing this enormous burden of debt to the next generation”, and Nigel Farage, in his own way, addressed that question. The others just kind of ignored it and started promising how much more money they were going to spend.

    And this idea that we’re living under austerity — it was Nigel Farage, actually, who made the point — that the national debt has doubled during this government. Each year the government spends on us £90 billion more than it raises from us and the rest is passed to the next generations to pay back.

    And I think the reason Nigel Farage reacted in the way that he did to the audience, whether he was wise to do so or not, was that every time somebody talked about spending more money there were great cheers, and every time someone tried to talk about reality there was stony silence.

  27. The audiences for the BBC’s political programs are ‘specially selected’ to provide what the BBC (a jew-dominated leftist cluster of hate of the British) wants as the outcome. I recall the infamous Nick Griffin show-trial where the baying audience of blacks and pakis had been coached to boo and barrack by David Dimbleby. All Griffin had to do was say to viewers – check out the audience, is this what your grand-parents fought a war for?

  28. I remember the first Question Time immediately after 9/11.

    The US Amabassador was on the panel; he was harangued, his country insulted and repeatedly told that 9/11 was deserved. He was on the point of tears. I would have walked off the stage and made life as uncomfortable as I could for the BBC.

    At a time when 99.9 per cent of Britons were as shocked, horrified and sympathetic as anyone about 9/11, the BBC managed to find an “independent” audience which thought it was great.

  29. Heaven’s sake.

    And I think the reason Nigel Farage reacted in the way that he did to the audience, whether he was wise to do so or not, was that every time somebody talked about spending more money there were great cheers, and every time someone tried to talk about reality there was stony silence.

    This is not a balanced audience. This is the typical BBC Question Time audience. Maybe you don’t see it much in Pamplona. Good for you. But that’s how it is.

    I actually think the BBC regards it as balanced, and that the corporate belief is that to be in favour of free markets, capitalism, free speech and against the political climate consensus is a weirdness.

    For a global organisation, the BBC is politically narrow and parochial.

  30. This is not a balanced audience.

    And you think the above quote comes from a balanced non – partisan position?

    I’ve taken part in BBC NI equivalents and the selection process for the audience was rigid.

  31. And you think the above quote comes from a balanced non – partisan position?

    It doesn’t come from a conservative. Portillo is pretty much muddle of the road.

    I’ve taken part in BBC NI equivalents and the selection process for the audience was rigid.

    Oh I’m sure it was rigid, and that’s how a stern nationalist was selected. I’m tempted to ask who balanced you out, but I doubt if you were.

  32. I was working as a legal advisor to a community education project at the time and 50% of tickets were first come first served to the public with the other 50% being sent two tickets to various lobby groups etc along with a list of every group which were sent two tickets.

    Oh I’m sure it was rigid, and that’s how a stern nationalist was selected

    Irish Republicans shouldn’t be invited to audience participation debates?

  33. It depends *shrugs*

    The point here is that while the BBC would be perfectly happy to have hardcore Irish nationalist participation, and would indulge it, the BBC treats (say) even mild British nationalists as if they’re walking ebola.

    Paul, you’re a million miles from balance and middle of the road, but you’ll always be welcome to a BBC studio.

    I’m a classical liberal, therefore smack in the middle of the long British tradition of liberty, and I’d get nowhere near the door.

  34. Paul, you’re a million miles from balance and middle of the road

    That’s correct Pete and I’m the first to unashamedly admit it but the point I was making was that every group and their ticket allocation was transparently published so there could be no claims of unfairness. I’d bet my mortgage on each of the politico participants PO’s getting the same lists prior to the programme.

  35. Great, a fun filled evening no doubt. Who else can the BBC indulge but political officers? It certainly isn’t genuine nationalists and patriots.

  36. In the US, we have say Fox News, which is stridently Republican in its prime time broadcasts, and MSNBC, which is even more stridently Democratic.

    In the UK, you folks say that the BBC is Labourite. I don’t see it enough to have an opinion on that. Are there any TV stations there that clearly more ” Conservative “, keeping in mind what is conservative in the UK might be Democratic in America

    Are any broadcast media in the country sympathetic with UKIP? TV or Radio, or widely available programs?

  37. I meant Press Officers.

    So, even though there was crystal clear transparency as to who were allocated the tickets you would still cry unfair?

    It certainly isn’t genuine nationalists and patriots.

    I’d assume that the various shades of unionism which were in the audience of the debates I was in would disagree with your point that they aren’t genuine British nats and patriots.

  38. Phantom

    All the free to air channels (tv and radio) have to be politically impartial. There can be no UK equivalent to Fox.

  39. Phantom –

    None whatsover. Some printed press are pro-Tory (so what when the Tories are the “right wing” party and o different form the Democrats?) but no broadcast media are pro-liberty. It’s important also to realise that the BBC utterly dominates broadcast media in teh UK. It’s virtually synonymous with it.

    Paul McMahon –

    Yes, and I’d hope so.

    Would you regard an audience of Ukipers as “fair and balanced”, even if ticketing was clear and transparent? Of course not.

    A unionist might be a nationalist or patriot but they’re not necessarily the same thing. A unionist who lays out the welcome mat for any old Nigerian bagger is certainly not either.

  40. Would you regard an audience of Ukipers as “fair and balanced”, even if ticketing was clear and transparent? Of course not

    Ah, a ‘when did you stop beating your wife?’ question

    Only if you accept the premise that the audience was an audience of X which wasn’t the case in the debates I took part in.

    A unionist who lays out the welcome mat for any old Nigerian bagger is certainly not either.

    Is that a Nigerian or European straw man you’re attempting to construct?

  41. Some printed press are pro-Tory

    Some?

    The Times
    The TorygraphTelegraph
    The Daily Mail
    The Daily Express
    The Daily Star
    The Sun
    The Sunday Times
    The Sunday TorygraphTelegraph
    The Mail on Sunday
    The Sunday Express
    The News of the World Sun on Sunday

    Anti-Tory papers:
    The Mirror
    The Guardian
    The Independent
    The Observer
    The Sunday Mirror
    The Independent on Sunday

    So that’s 11-6 for the Tories. But in terms of circulation it’s more like 75%-25%.

    The Sun has been exposed this week of “calling” the TV debate last week (the one Cameron didn’t dodge) for Cameron and against Miliband before the debate had actually started. Just like a British Fox woulda done. Same owner, same lies and distortion. Nothing to see, move on please.

  42. Peter –

    The Express is pro-UKIP.

    The Times and Sunday Times are between the Tories and Labour.

    The Star reports on politics?!

    The Mails and Telegraphs are strongly Tory, but so what? It means they’re strongly pro-state. Why should anyone with a brain cheer that?

    I’m surprised that The Sun had any reporters to report on anything, given that the Met Police this week was trying to bang them all up. What a disappointment it must be to you that its Operation Elveden just collapsed in a spectacular fireball!

    What’s that, 23 reporters charged, 23 exonerated. Your glee at the NOTW’s demise must be matched by doom by the Soaraway Sun’s exoneration.

  43. The Times and Sunday Times are between the Tories and Labour.

    LOL. Yes, Tory 90% of the time, Labour 10%. Do you seriously believe that they would defy Rupert Murdoch?

  44. Andy Coulson (former NOTW editor and Cameron’s press secretary) was convicted of perjury and served time recently, maybe it has slipped your mind?

  45. The Mails and Telegraphs are strongly Tory, but so what? It means they’re strongly pro-state. Why should anyone with a brain cheer that?

    They are strongly pro-Tory, that was my point. The Guardian is also pro-state, but pro-Labour. There’s a difference, as you well know.

  46. At a time when 99.9 per cent of Britons were as shocked, horrified and sympathetic as anyone about 9/11, the BBC managed to find an “independent” audience which thought it was great.

    Undoubtedly a conspiracy. The Jews are the likely culprits.

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