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  1. So much for Patrick’s support for the military. Trump defunds the military and Patrick’s response is “boo hoo”.

  2. Trump could turn all that money over to the Iranian military and Patrick would approve.

    Because Trump is always right.

  3. Our military haven’t missed a single paycheck in the last year, over the past 4 years 3 Trillion has been restored and all equipment and supplies left unsupplied by Obama/Biden have been replenished….. and any delayed pay will be reimbursed.

    Can your local Waiter, Bartender, Cook, deli person say the same?

  4. but who said he wouldn’t veto or COULDN’T veto the defense bill …..

    Seamus….. ahhh did I read somewhere you saying something along those lines….. I thought you did….. I’ll have to check

  5. Con your local Waiter, Bartender, Cook, deli person say the same?

    Thanks, mask shirkers!

    The numbers are all wrong, but then again they always are so there you are.

  6. “Seamus….. ahhh did I read somewhere you saying something along those lines….. I thought you did….. I’ll have to check”

    You would have to check because I didn’t say that at all. I said he had up to today to veto it.

  7. Patrick

    Just for the record, can you confirm that you support Trump’s pardons this week 100% and his executions this month 100%. And you will also be 100% on board when he pardons himself and his entire family? Because Rudy says he can do whatever the **** he likes as long as he’s POTUS and you are on record in support of that view. At least while the POTUS is a GOP POTUS.

    Please correct me if I have misrepresented your views in any of this.

  8. Peter….. take a deep breath…. there ya go…. do you need a tranquillizer ?

    Yes I support all Pardons and ALL Executions by ANY PRESIDENT.

    As for pardoning his own family there is no need. They investigated for over 4yrs and found nothing…….

  9. As for pardoning his own family there is no need.

    Cheers Patrick, thought so. So what will you say when he tries to do just that, pardon himself and his entire family like they maybe have some possible crimes to worry about? Lemme guess, you will support it as a necessary protection against a vindictive Biden DOJ which will be out to do down your totally innocent man and his totally innocent family by foul means. So of course it will be justified and the SCOTUS will need to “do their duty by the Original Constitution” by supporting it, with the caveat that it can only be used in future by GOP presidents, so it won’t be available to Biden under any circumstances.

    Have you ever considered independence of mind, as in not automatically supporting the Trump Crime Family in all their rampant criminality? Or even daring to depart an inch from the GOP-Fox-Breitbart-Jones-Limbaa line? I think I know the answer, but just wondering.

  10. Peter coming from a man who believes cow farts are destroying the planet the phrase….

    Have you ever considered independence of mind,

    Has to be one of your funniest lines yet.

  11. Peter coming from a man who believes cow farts are destroying the planet

    No, I don’t believe that. But like most of the sane world I do accept that CO2 from fossil fuels is warming the planet. You don’t believe that and have made it clear many times that you will never believe that, just like you totally reject Darwin. You are totally in line with your party in both of those delusions. But of course your party is totally owned by the fossil fuel industry and headbanger evangelicals who think the planet is only a few thousand years old, so there is no mystery there.

    I see you fail to answer my questions, so I’ll take your answers as yes that Trump can pardon himself and no, you never think about departing from the party line.

  12. Trump is obviously laying the groundwork for a pre-emptive Trump family pardon and no doubt Crooked Rudy will get a pass as well:

    “US President Donald Trump has pardoned former campaign manager Paul Manafort, ex-adviser Roger Stone and the father of Trump’s son-in-law. Manafort was convicted in 2018 in an investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 US election. Trump has previously commuted the prison sentence of Stone, who was convicted of lying to Congress. They are among 29 people to benefit from Mr Trump’s latest clemency spree before he leaves office next month.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55433522

  13. Patrick

    Why would you say you support all pardons by all presidents ? That’s a ridiculous thing for anyone to say. Surely you have to decide each individual case on its own merits.

  14. colmm you forget old chum, pvt is not a freeman , he is a bond man
    he doesn’t have a free mind, and is not capable of such independent thought
    Its not encouraged in his part ranks, its too scary a prospect for them
    He lives under a rock, under the LAW , which he interprets according to party politics
    apart from that a great guy 😉

  15. aside

    there is an uncle colm in Derry Girls !
    Alas he has no much of a part however “Derry Girls fans were delighted to see the incredibly boring Uncle Colm return to the show”
    If our beloved Derry girls are energetic and wild, Uncle Colm is as dull as dishwater and yet, Kevin McAleer’s character has become an instant favourite in Lisa McGee’s superb ensemble.

    https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/derry-girls-fans-delighted-see-uncle-col-returning-show-661718

    merry xmas 🙂

  16. I love Derry Girls, but I do hope its only my name I have in common with Uncle Colm 🙂

    Merry Christmas to you kurt 🙂

  17. Here’s why Trump pardoned Manafort:

    “In court, Mueller’s lawyers told the judge that Manafort was the heart of their case. They had already nailed him for tax fraud and violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act. They had trapped him in a perjurious tangle. And as they followed the trail of evidence, they noticed that Manafort’s aide de camp was an asset of Russian intelligence. They had nabbed Manafort passing along confidential campaign data to a favored oligarch of the Kremlin, to whom he owed millions. Everything in the prosecutors’ presentation suggested that they were on the cusp of a breakthrough. Manafort would be their cooperative witness, the key to their ability to tell a more expansive narrative about what had happened in the 2016 election.

    But before prosecutors could achieve that revelation, the president made his move. Trump began to tease the prospect of a pardon for Manafort. While the Mueller report is a maddening document, deadened by its steadfast unwillingness to draw conclusions, it is unambiguous about Trump’s treatment of Manafort. It describes how his tweets and statements about a pardon might have shaped Manafort’s strategic calculus.

    The head of the family had sent an unambiguous signal. Just then, the instincts from Manafort’s old neighborhood kicked in. The president clearly intended to obstruct justice. By implicitly promising a pardon, he thwarted Manafort’s cooperation with Mueller, and wrecked the probe…”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/paul-manaforts-pardon-kleptocracy-won/617508/

  18. Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich, still a fugitive at the time, was criticized by all decent people from all parties

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-clinton-pardons-analysis-story.html

    It is long past time to remove this power from lawless presidents.

    The current president, the most corrupt in history, uses the power to reward his highly corrupt Republican allies and to actively obstruct justice.

    https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/how-trump-could-be-trying-manipulate-pardons-obstruct-justice-n1249786

    Remember when some rubes spoke of draining a swamp? You sure don’t hear much about that anymore.

    Now it’s more “ yeah, he’s a criminal, but he’s my criminal. So what “

  19. Trump’s blatantly corrupt use of pardons is reminiscent of another crooked president:

    “But once the Nixon presidency entered its terminal phase, in July 1974, the calibrated system to restrain the president’s pardoning power established by the Founders, and ratified by Taft, began to fall apart. The House Judiciary Committee approved, with bipartisan majorities, three articles of impeachment. The Supreme Court, in United States v. Nixon, unanimously ordered Nixon to turn over more of the White House tapes, with three of his appointees voting against him and the fourth recusing himself. The president faced enormous pressure to resign, some of it coming from within the White House. Suddenly, Watergate pardons came back into the picture, including, for the first time, the idea of Nixon pardoning himself…

    But if impeachment were taken off the table because a president chose to leave before he could be removed, would there be any restraints left on his use of pardons? Could he, in fact, pardon himself? For Nixon and his second chief of staff, Alexander Haig, two years of discussion about the use of the pardon to contain the Watergate scandal now came down to how to use the pardon to protect one individual: Richard M. Nixon…”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/how-abuse-presidential-pardon/617473/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20201223&silverid=NjIzNTcxMzkyMDgxS0

  20. Colm, on December 24th, 2020 at 10:24 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick

    Why would you say you support all pardons by all presidents ? That’s a ridiculous thing for anyone to say. Surely you have to decide each individual case on its own merits.

    A Presidential Pardon is a very special thing. The President is the only person in this country that with a wave of his Pen can if he chooses can wipe away part of to all of a persons crimes.

    It is the only act that he can do that no one or nothing can undue or change.

    Every President Pardons some scumbags.

    If he Pardons Assange or Snowden I’ll complain about it, but I won’t object to ANY President Pardoning ANYONE.

  21. A Presidential Pardon is a very special thing.

    Indeed, and your guy is trashing it just like he has trashed everything else, not least the dignity of the office of POTUS. Watch out for the self-pardon coming down the track as well as pardons for his entire family. None of them have been charged with anything, never mind convicted, but that won’t stop him because the man has no limits and no decency.

  22. It is the little things that the left do just to evoke hostility against the things they neither support or care about. It is those things that keep the level of hostility at a heated pitch in this country.

    They can’t just have a different point of view or even just disagree.

    They must use petty insults, belittle, and ridicule the other person rather than debate or argue a point or issue.

    One of the only things Michael Savage ever got right was Liberalism is a Mental Disease.

  23. Criminal President pardoning criminals to frustrate the law in a way that all can see

    This is new.

    If you can’t criticize that you can’t criticize anything

  24. A Presidential Pardon is a very special thing. The President is the only person in this country that with a wave of his Pen can if he chooses can wipe away part of to all of a persons crimes.

    Then Patrick you are giving fulsome support to an unjustified power that represents the most corrupt debasement of law, surprisingly for someone who proclaims proudly how the US is governed by rule of law and a Constitution that applies fairly to all.

  25. colm you have to have law in capitals man , gotta shout it out 😉
    correct there phantom if you can’t condemn a man for pardoning criminals
    ALL of whom are in some way connected to the crimes Trump has been involved in
    There you just stand for nothing , pure lawlessness to the bitter end

  26. Then Patrick you are giving fulsome support to an unjustified power that represents the most corrupt debasement of law, surprisingly for someone who proclaims proudly how the US is governed by rule of law and a Constitution that applies fairly to all.

    It date backs to Rome……. and is a gift of mercy.

  27. Phantom, on December 24th, 2020 at 3:15 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Criminal President pardoning criminals to frustrate the law in a way that all can see

    This is new.

    If you can’t criticize that you can’t criticize anything

    Would you like a list of every scumbag Pardoned by EVERY President ?

  28. It makes a mockery of the idea of the seperation of powers and that Justice and the application of criminal law should be independent of political interference. I don’t understand why that power is there and I say that not in any way as an anti-Trump comment. I don’t agree with it in principle.

    It date backs to Rome

    Yeah, and so does throwing Christians to the lions 🙂

  29. Phantom,

    Because the Koranstitution gave presidents the power, it therefore can never be wrongly used

    I knew the president had this power but I didn’t realise it couldn’t be challenged.
    That’s extremely worrying, to give one man this power without consequence.

  30. The framers never thought of the possibility of such a complete criminal as president

    You have a President Roy Cohn. There are no ethical boundaries.

    Expect much worse.

  31. I suppose technically Trump could decide to cause as much chaos as possible by pardoning every Federal criminal currently in prison. Seriously, wouldn’t the authorities have to open up every Federal jail if he did that ? Doesn’t that show how potentially ludicrous this wrongful Presidential ‘perk’ is ?

  32. Yes

    And chaos is the right word

    It’s how he misled his business and how he has misled the nation

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