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Here is a sober honest analysis of the Trump Presidency. When you strip away the venom and emotion by both sides it comes down to what has been achieved.

Please avail yourselves of other perspectives. No one can complain that it’s just some AM Radio “commentator”.

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47 thoughts on “Victor Davis Hanson Makes ‘The Case For Trump

  1. Here is a sober honest analysis of the Trump Presidency.

    I’m not sure I call that video and honest analysis Patrick, it’s definitely biased in favour of Trump. I do agree with some of the things they say, especially the media being obsessed with Trump, in a way that they haven’t been with previous presidents.

    Here’s the BBC’s take on Trumps first 2 years.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38663043

  2. Hanson supported George W Bush, in both the 2000 and 2004 elections, and supported Donald Trump. He has also been very critical of the Obama presidency. So has supported the last three Presidential terms filled by a Republican, and opposed the last two Presidential terms filled by a Democrat.

    So the fact that he is a registered Democrat is kind of irrelevant.

  3. he’s a historian Seamus and well respected by both sides of the aisle.

  4. I’d raise a question as to whether that is true Patrick. His neo-conservatism is clear and his bias with it. His increasingly anti-latino, anti-black commentary is also likely to not endear him to both sides of the aisle.

  5. “I came to support neocon approaches first in the wars against the Taliban and Saddam, largely because I saw little alternative — in a post-9-11 effort to stop radical Islam and state sponsors of terror — to removing such odious enemies, and did not think leaving the defeated in power (as in 1991), or leaving in defeat (as in Lebanon), or installing a postbellum strongman was viable or in U.S. interests.”

    Victor Davis Hanson
    2008

  6. supporting neocon approaches doesn’t make someone a neocon…. Hanson is well respected by both sides Seamus, he is considered to be an honest man.

    You can dismiss him as a neocon if it allows you to dismiss what he has to say, but you should open your mind to the possibility that there are more ways of looking at things than you’re seeing.

  7. The irony of the entire Russian collusion hoax is that accusers who cried the loudest about leaking, collusion, lying, and obstruction are themselves soon very likely to be accused of just those crimes.

    Now that Robert Mueller’s 674-day, $30 million investigation is over and has failed to find the original goal of its mandate—evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Trump presidential campaign and the Russian government to sway the 2016 election—and now that thousands of once-sealed government documents will likely be released in unredacted form, those who eagerly assumed the role of the hunters may become the hunted, due to their own zealous violation of the nation’s trust and its laws.

    Take Lying
    Former FBI Director James Comey’s testimonies cannot be reconciled with those of his own deputy director Andrew McCabe. He falsely testified that the Steele dossier was not the main basis for obtaining FISA court warrants.

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/03/31/the-tables-turn-in-russian-collusion-hunt/

  8. “Hanson is well respected by both sides “

    You keep saying that. Show me where he has been advanced by the Democrats? He is a well known conservative commentator who published primarily in the National Review and the Washington Times. He is a conservative writer. Now there is nothing wrong with that but stop trying to make he seem like he is an unbiased observer.

  9. Patrick Van Roy, on April 1st, 2019 at 2:38 PM Said:

    he’s a historian Seamus and well respected by both sides of the aisle.

    Congress is, by the measurement of the amount of money received by its members, the most corrupt organisation that has ever existed. To be respected by both sides of that cesspit is to be as corrupted as they are.

  10. Congress is, by the measurement of the amount of money received by its members, the most corrupt organisation that has ever existed. To be respected by both sides of that cesspit is to be as corrupted as they are.

    Alan every once in a while you come out with rare valuable gem….. that insight is one of them.

  11. Phantom…. bail me out and tell Seamus that Hanson is a solid source for evaluation.

  12. Seamus question….

    in your view am I a neocon?

    How do you describe me and my views?

    curious to hear your answer.

  13. “in your view am I a neocon?”

    If I’m being totally honest, and I hope you aren’t offended by the suggestion, you are a Republican. And you morph your views to views of the main line of thinking in the Republican Party. So when the Republican Party were neo-cons under the likes of George W. Bush you advocated a neo-con line of thinking. Now that it is more linking up with a quasi-isolationist viewpoint (anti-NATO etc) you have adopted that as well.

    Underneath it all is one of an extreme version of American exceptionalism. That America can literally do no wrong.

    “I think that Hanson’s is a serious voice, worth listening to.”

    When he says something worth listening to I’ll perk up. But ultimately it is the same tired old tropes about Clinton, about the Democrats, about immigration and trade.

  14. If I’m being totally honest, and I hope you aren’t offended by the suggestion, you are a Republican. And you morph your views to views of the main line of thinking in the Republican Party. So when the Republican Party were neo-cons under the likes of George W. Bush you advocated a neo-con line of thinking. Now that it is more linking up with a quasi-isolationist viewpoint (anti-NATO etc) you have adopted that as well.

    Underneath it all is one of an extreme version of American exceptionalism. That America can literally do no wrong.

    no I asked for your honest view, nothing to be offended by….. I just was interested.

  15. Seamus

    I take it that you are horrified by Hanson’s essays saying that illegal immigration is a bad thing. That would be an ” old trope ” since all the cool kids know that ” migration ” is always good. Why ” there’s no such thing as illegal immigration since how can a person be illegal ”

    Also, Hanson has taken a position on trade that is supportive of Trump policy. There is good ( confronting a predatory China ) and bad ( punishing a law respecting ally in Canada ) to what Trump is doing but there is very little that is ” old ” tropey about any of that.

    You want to respectfully listen to those who speak seriously.

  16. “no I asked for your honest view, nothing to be offended by….. I just was interested.”

    Cheers.

    “I take it that you are horrified by Hanson’s essays saying that illegal immigration is a bad thing. That would be an ” old trope ” since all the cool kids know that ” migration ” is always good. Why ” there’s no such thing as illegal immigration since how can a person be illegal ””

    No by old tropes I mean were he claims illegal immigrants commit vastly more crimes than other people (something that is not true). That he claims that they depress wages (something that is not true). That huge numbers of illegal immigrants are getting welfare (something that is not true).

    In terms of trade he has trotted out the same old nonsense that the US is being victimised in international trade (something that is not true). That trade deficits are harmful (something that is not true).

    “You want to respectfully listen to those who speak seriously.”

    He doesn’t speak seriously though. He trots out the same old crap time and time again that is demonstrably bullshit.

    Now if Hanson was talking about military history, ancient Greece or raisins etc… then I would give him credence. He is an expert in those areas. But he isn’t an expert in international trade. He isn’t an expert in immigration. He isn’t an expert in half the stuff he talks about. And just because he is an expert in military history and ancient Greece does not mean we should give him greater credence on other topics.

  17. Its old crap to say that illegal immigration is bad?

    To say that China is economically lawless and that it is good to confront them on that?

    Wow

  18. “Its old crap to say that illegal immigration is bad?”

    No. It is old crap to say it increases crime, lowers wages and they are all on welfare.

    “To say that China is economically lawless and that it is good to confront them on that?”

    No. It is old crap to say that the US is undermined by the world trade system, and that free trade is bad for America.

  19. Illegal immigration does lower wages.

    Ask a construction worker about that.

    And who said that ” they are all on welfare ”

    How can welfare layabouts depress wages when they don’t hold down jobs?

    What happened to the old Seamus? This is just sloganeering here.

  20. “Illegal immigration does lower wages.”

    It doesn’t. Study after study shows that it doesn’t depress wages, as largely speaking native populations in the United States do not compete with illegal immigrants for jobs. And some studies actually suggest that it increase wages.

    In fact in 1964 when the US Government ended the Bracero program (citing the idea that the presence of so many Mexican workers was depressing US native wages) wage growth slowed.

    Firstly, immigrants are typically attracted to growing regions. They fill the gaps in booming regions. If there is job competition in the area immigrants don’t go there. They go to the areas were there are labour shortages.

    Secondly, when they do compete for jobs (and thus effect wages) they normally do so with other immigrants, not native-born Americans. This is because they look for different jobs. The only people who they may compete with are Americans without a high school diploma (less than 11% of the population). Most studies also show that even within that group the impact on wages is minor (less than 2%) and temporary (normally disappears within 5 years).

    Thirdly, studies have suggested that for everyone else (so the Americans who do not compete with them or 89% of them) illegal immigration increases wages, and the services they consume will now cost less. Thus illegal immigration has a deflationary impact on the local economy. They pay less for the services that immigrants provide. Also local industries are more productive as their inputs are now cheaper (so a local farm will pay their labourers less, leading to cheaper agriculture produce. That is then cheaper for the local agri-food businesses to buy, increasing their profitability and wages).

    “And who said that ” they are all on welfare ””

    Victor Davis Hanson. He complained that immigrants are getting welfare and then sending that back to Mexico via remittances.

  21. “Illegal aliens -have- depressed construction wages in California, NY, Arizona, Texas. They’v also weakened the unions a lot for non-government jobs.”

    So did construction wages continue to grow and not shrink in areas were there weren’t high levels of immigration?

    In order to prove, for lack of a better word, that illegal immigration has depressed wages you would need to show that a) wages went down (or didn’t go up) in areas with high immigration and b) wages did the opposite in areas without high immigration.

    So if it went down in California, Texas etc… but up in Indiana, Ohio etc… then you would have a point. I haven’t been able to find anything that suggested that happened.

  22. Non union roofing and basic carpentry etc wages have been significantly depressed due to competition from illegal immigrants and there would be very few in the industry who would disagree with that. I doubt that there are any Americans on this site who would dispute that.

    You seem to have fallen into the ” all immigration is great ” camp. Its a lot more mixed than that.

  23. “Non union roofing and basic carpentry etc wages have been significantly depressed due to competition from illegal immigrants and there would be very few in the industry who would disagree with that. I doubt that there are any Americans on this site who would dispute that.”

    Doesn’t matter if they disagree or whether it would be disputed. It matters if it is true or not. And so did construction wages go up or down in Indiana, Ohio, Maine etc… states with very little immigration? If it did then you’d have a point. If it didn’t then it was likely part of a larger trend and the impact of immigrants was relatively limited.

    “You seem to have fallen into the ” all immigration is great ” camp.”

    No I’m in the logic, facts and academic studies camp.

    And I will openly say that a country should be able to control who does or does not come into their country. I just don’t think they should. And that’s because the impact is overwhelmingly positive.

  24. it has depressed wages especially in construction. It’s not picked up on your studies because the hardest hit area is the independent contractor the teams of two or three guys that do everything. roofing, painting, decks, kitchens, bathrooms. Those guys don’t get tracked by your stats, but they make up a very large part of the middle class.

    These are blue collar family men whose industry has been devastated by the illegal labor that has poured across the border.

  25. “Those guys don’t get tracked by your stats, but they make up a very large part of the middle class.”

    Why wouldn’t the get picked up?

    And again I ask do those same people in West Virginia etc… states with low numbers of illegal immigrants, do they get paid much higher? Does an independent contractor in West Virginia or Montana get paid substantially more than one in California? Have the decrease in wages in California not happened in places like West Virginia or Montana?

  26. Why wouldn’t the get picked up?

    Due to the way independent contractors file taxes it’s very hard to track each one files differently according to how their accountant structures it.

    As for WV there are NO STATES without large ILLEGAL populations. The Obama administration distributed them across the entire country.

  27. “As for WV there are NO STATES without large ILLEGAL populations. The Obama administration distributed them across the entire country.”

    That’s just not true.

    And for those who want to believe it is true then can you show me how before 2008 independent contractors wages went down in California, Texas and Arizona, but went up in West Virginia, Maine, Montana etc…?

  28. Seamus

    You’re not correct.

    Even fairly lib publications like the LA Times have commented on this.

    Wages and benefits for many construction workers, esp the lower skilled end of it, have been depressed due to illegal competitors. Its not close to an arguable point.

    You go to a home improvement store and the illegals are waiting to work at very low wage on cash basis. No one from the US here will argue that point. T

  29. “Wages and benefits for many construction workers, esp the lower skilled end of it, have been depressed due to illegal competitors. Its not close to an arguable point.”

    If it is not close to an arguable point then show me where those same workers are getting 1970s like money in West Virginia, Maine, Montana, Vermont etc…

    If immigration is causing the depression in wages then it would be prevalent in states with high numbers of illegal immigrants (like California) and not present in states with low numbers of illegal immigrants.

  30. He isn’t an expert in immigration

    An expert on immigration is somebody who agrees with Seamus, according to Seamus

    Seamus, on April 2nd, 2019 at 2:02 PM Said:

    “Illegal immigration does lower wages.”

    It doesn’t. Study after study shows that it doesn’t depress wages, as largely speaking native populations in the United States do not compete with illegal immigrants for jobs. And some studies actually suggest that it increase wages.

    Whites generally don’t compete with immigrants on wages because they can’t. There used to be seasonal farm jobs for white students – and now there aren’t. As for these ‘studies’ which show that immigration increases wages, any links and who funded these studies?

    No I’m in the logic, facts and academic studies camp.

    And I will openly say that a country should be able to control who does or does not come into their country. I just don’t think they should. And that’s because the impact is overwhelmingly positive.

    That’s logic and facts out the window, and I’m sure that leftists academia will provide whatever outcomes open-borders leftists want.

    Anyway, why not look at the dystopic future, as embodied by California whose cities are becoming based on the street-shit economy – seriously!

    J. A.
    1 day ago
    I still live here in SoCal and find it harder and harder to recognize it every day. What these tyrants have done to my once beautiful state is appalling.

  31. Phantom, on April 2nd, 2019 at 7:55 PM Said:
    Who is an expert on immigration?

    George Soros

  32. “Who is an expert on immigration?”

    Probably no one. My point is that Hanson is not one. So giving him greater credence than anyone else on the subject is an appeal to a non existent authority. On matters such as ancient Greece, military history etc… he is an expert. On immigration and trade he’s just another guy.

  33. WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—German Chancellor Angela Merkel demanded that Donald Trump issue a “complete and sincere apology” to the German people, after Trump claimed incorrectly, on Tuesday, that his father was born in Germany.

    “Of the many insulting things that Donald Trump could say to the German people, alleging that his father was born here is by far the most hurtful,” she said. “He must take it back at once.”

    Merkel said that Germany would consider breaking off diplomatic relations with the U.S. immediately if Trump did not acknowledge “that his father was born somewhere else.”

    Despite widely available evidence that Trump’s father, Fred Trump, was born in the Bronx, the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, stuck by Trump’s story on Tuesday afternoon. “The President is proud that his father was born in a great foreign country like Germany, and not in a bad foreign country like Puerto Rico,” she said

  34. Interestingly, just by looking at the dates, Fred Trump was probably conceived in Germany but born in the United States. Typical foreigners getting pregnant then having the kind in America.

  35. Though like grandfather like grandson. Friedrich Trumpf was expelled from Germany in 1905 for being a draft dodger.

  36. None of the sons or other male members AFAIK ever served any military either.

    Like Hank Williams Jr says it’s a ” family tradition ” never to serve.

  37. WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump was reportedly “furious” on Wednesday morning after a purge of right-wing bots by Twitter left him with a total of fourteen remaining followers, aides have confirmed.

    Rising at 3 a.m. to engage in one of his trademark early-morning tweetstorms, Trump was incensed to discover that his Twitter following had plummeted from more than forty-eight million to a little more than a dozen.

    At Twitter headquarters, in San Francisco, a company spokesman confirmed that Trump had indeed lost 48,076,920 followers in the bot purge. “It turned out that over forty-six million of the President’s followers came from a single troll farm in Macedonia,” the spokesman said.

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