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Jodie Chesney was 17 years old. She was walking in a park in Harold Hill, East London when someone stuck a knife in her back. That was it, she was dead at the scene.

The murderer might be a mental case who flipped. The police have described her killing as a random attack. It might be gang-related. There’s an initiation thing, where a prospective gang member has to stab someone – anyone – to be accepted. No description of the attackers has been released despite there being witnesses. We might make some assumptions.

What I do know is that London is sinking ever faster.

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  1. Pete exaggerates – Colm has not been touched so London is fine

    Precisely.

    I did post the very same thing yesterday.

    Colm is not part of the solution, but a very large part of the problem.

    Liberalism, the plague of the 21st century.

  2. My, it sounds like the greatest danger for Colm is not knife crime in London but some commenters on ATW, who seem to wish him ill just to prove a point.

  3. Colm, on March 3rd, 2019 at 1:37 PM Said:
    Liar Harri.

    Harri, on March 2nd, 2019 at 2:20 PM Said:
    Katerina Makunova, 17, was found slumped in a block of flats in Camberwell, South London, on Thursday as knife crime continues to grip the capital

    But, but, but Colm has managed to stay clear of being stabbed, so knife crime of murdered children in London, is…zero?

    Hi ya Colm..

    😁

  4. We might make some assumptions.

    Or make sh*t up, as it’s usually known.

    What I do know is that London is sinking ever faster.

    Strange that London is sinking faster, yet it’s murder rate is historically lower than it has been for many of the previous years. But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way of your biased agenda.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London

    And compared to many other cities in the world, London’s murder rate is massively lower.

    London’s murder rate is lower than the USA’s 50 largest cities

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

  5. Noel, on March 3rd, 2019 at 1:42 PM Said:
    My, it sounds like the greatest danger for Colm is not knife crime in London but some commenters on ATW, who seem to wish him ill just to prove a point.

    18 and counting dead youngsters this year alone, and its only the start of March.

    And hundreds of dead murdered youngsters in previous years, in London..

    I think one can safely assume that point has been proven.

  6. Dave – simply ban guns for blacks. Indeed, ban them from knives and acid. Taken to its rational conclusion, they should be returned to Africa to protect them from whitey’s racism, and to protect whitey from them.

  7. ….ban them from knives….

    That’s going to make cutting up the Sunday roast problematic Allan.

  8. That’s going to make cutting up the Sunday roast problematic Allan.

    Listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC a couple of weeks back, Sajid Javid was on, he explained how he was “in talks with knife manufacturers” apparently he was proposing only manufacturing knives with rounded tips because round tipped knives can’t kill people?

    Yes, he actually did say that, and he appeared to actually mean it.

    Forget there’s possibly hundreds of millions of pointy knives already in circulation, forgetting its really not rocket science to sharpen a tip on any blade. We are being led by oafs & charlatans.

    What have we done to deserve this shower of shit?

    I did say voting doesn’t make a blind bit of difference.

  9. Its not getting any better..

    London homicides now highest annual rate for a decade
    2018 tally of 131 deaths includes 75 stabbings and comes as police await funding decision

    London’s homicide rate has reached its highest level in a decade as police chiefs brace themselves for a government announcement about whether they will get the extra funding they believe is vital to tackle rising violent crime.

    The Metropolitan police said they were called to the fatal stabbing of a teenager in south-east London on Tuesday night, taking the tally to 131 deaths, the highest level since 2008, with three weeks left of this calendar year.

    London’s total this year includes at least 75 stabbings and 13 shootings.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/12/london-homicides-now-highest-in-a-year-for-a-decade

    London crime: Homicides in capital hit 10-year high in 2018 after 134 people killed

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-crime-stabbings-murders-shootings-violence-met-police-crime-figures-total-a8705986.html

    The number of killings in London has reached the highest number for a decade.

    The fatal stabbing of 18-year-old Jay Sewell in Eltham on Tuesday night means there have been 130 homicides in the capital since 1 January.

    The figure, which includes murders and manslaughters, is the highest number since 2008 when there were 154 deaths in a year.

    A spokesperson for London’s mayor described the increase as “shameful”.

    The Met Police said it was “committed to reducing violent crime.”

    The 130 homicides this year has included 73 stabbings and 14 shootings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46540182

  10. Well fuck me, there’s a surprise?

    Jodie Chesney was murdered while playing music with her boyfriend, 18-year-old Eddie Coyle, and four other friends in Harold Hill, Romford, on Friday night.

    Police have said the killer was a black teenager who had been in the park with another man earlier in the evening, before returning at 9.30pm and stabbing Ms Chesney in the back.

    The two suspects then ran off while her her heartbroken boyfriend screamed for help and ‘stroked and kissed her face’ as she lay bleeding to death, witnesses have said.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6766663/Jodie-Chesney-Police-reveal-girl-scout-stabbed-cold-blood.html

    Hunt them down like dogs, and if you can’t hang the savages, lock them up and throwaway the keys.

    A menace to civilized society, and of no use to society in any way, shape or form.

  11. //Jodie Chesney was murdered while playing music with her boyfriend, //

    Is there any punishment too hard for the cretins that did that?

  12. Noel

    Cretins?

    What they are, are savage barbaric backward cold blooded murdering racist cu**s.

    Ask Seamus.

  13. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck..blah, blah..

    Police fighting knife crime should be exempt from race discrimination laws, Trevor Phillips says

    Police officers should be exempt from race discrimination laws in order to target black youths in high crime areas, the former chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has said.

    Trevor Phillips said that “white liberals” need to stop “hand-wringing” and admit the truth that the wave of knife crime is black children killing black children.

    He called for officers to target high-risk inner-city areas and to be exempt from laws which prevent them discriminating on the basis of someone’s race or ethnic origin

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/11/policefighting-knife-violence-should-exempt-race-discrimination/

    Its a black ting, no matter how much the liberal progressives whinge & whine.

  14. Pete

    How does the murder rate in London compare with that of major American cities?

  15. Phantom

    How do the demographics of the murder rate in American cities compare to London?

  16. Phantom,

    Hi Phantom. I hope you enjoyed your Liverpool trip.
    Apologies again mate, that I couldn’t make it. Please let me know when you’re next coming across, and I’ll make sure I’m free.

    How does the murder rate in London compare with that of major American cities?

    I actually answered this question with a couple of links in one of my post above.

    London’s murder rate is lower than the USA’s 50 largest cities

    London’s murder rate, while bad, is actually still a lot lower than it has been historically. And the increase in murders is only in the tens not the hundreds or thousands.

  17. If the stabby Afro had not been in Britain, that young woman would be alive. But the parties who actually want the Afros in the UK and wider Europe argue that they are needed to pay for our pensions. I can see the point in that if future pension recipients have been stabbed to death, then there’s more for everybody else: is this the case being made?

  18. Our children are being murdered in cold blood by savages.

    But its okay, its worse in America.

    Ffs!

  19. Harri

    No honest person is unconcerned with the large numbers of stabbings, the Existence of gangs, any of that

    I think that was some of us take exception to When people make comments such as “ London is a hellhole “ or “ People shouldn’t ever go to London because it’s so unsafe “ . Those types of statements are frankly preposterous.

    If you want to Crush all gangs, the knife attackers, I agree

  20. Harri,

    Our children are being murdered in cold blood by savages.

    But its okay, its worse in America.

    Ffs!

    I hope that’s not directed at me Harri, because I never said anything of the sort.

  21. Forget there’s possibly hundreds of millions of pointy knives already in circulation, forgetting its really not rocket science to sharpen a tip on any blade. We are being led by oafs & charlatans.

    The obvious answer is to raid all black-owned or rented premises in London and confiscate all their knives and sharpening stones. It’s not rocket science, and I’ve no doubt that non-charlatan oaf “Sir” Nigel will propose something along these lines before you can say golliwog.

  22. tell me after you collect all the pointy sticks what do you do about people who can kill with their hands?

    Guns, Knives, etc etc it does not matter. You could disarm the whole world and we would still kill each other. It’s built into our DNA.

  23. Phantom

    A start would be to reverse the Tory cuts to police numbers since 2010. An increase in stop and search is also needed (that has already started).

    Longer term solutions need an anti-gang strategy to be implemented. Glasgow has had significant success with this and London is now trying to learn from it, but it will take years to show results.

    And of course nanny state drugs prohibition should be looked at. This is effectively a state-subsidy to drugs dealers which results in cocaine selling for ten times its true market worth. Those super-profits are what drive 90% of the knife murders.

  24. Peter

    Makes sense to me

    I despise gangs of all types. And yes drugs prohibition is rocket fuel for gangs, and lead to turf wars and murders, yes

  25. I don’t know why the murder rate in London shouldn’t be compared to the rate in Paris, Berlin or Vienna instead of with US cities.

    The whole American experience and the social situation there is fundamentally different.

  26. America has no real gun controls

    All the places that you mentioned I believed do have controls

    I like comparing London with New York Because they are very similar in size, Population density, economic structure,and in many other factors

  27. It’s interesting reading these links.
    Murders per head of population in London are actually not much worse than in many cases better than not just of the European cities but some of the cities in the UK. (Glasgow for instance.)
    Which makes comments from certain idiots about London’s murders being similar to Johannesburg pretty f****** ridiculous.

  28. Yes

    There should be concern and comment about the knife attacks in London, but when they go way OTT they lose the plot.

    I could understand the comments a bit more if they lived far away, but some of these guys live close to London, and might be expected to know something about it.

    Even as a young kid, I was a interested in geography/politics. I remember hearing a guy speaking decades ago with astonishment at how incredibly low the murder/gun crime rate was in London/UK as compared with the US. True then, true now.

    There are plenty of angry/crazy people there, but your good laws sets a framework that is hugely beneficial.

  29. Well said Phantom.

    Your point about people living further away from London and thinking crime there is really bad is interesting.
    When I lived down south in the mid 90s, many southerners seemed to have the belief that Liverpool was some sort of crime ridden hell hole. Despite my best efforts to demonstrate that it wasn’t. (you know I actually grew up there). People’s perception of these things, can be crazy to say the least. I’m sure the media has got to accept some of the blame for this.

  30. London and New York ( always, always I compare them) suffer from the same thing

    They are the news media capitals of their respective nations, by far.

    So all the crime stories in those places are highlighted big time, nationally and internationally.

  31. If London’s murder rate is so low, just think of how much better it would be if the stabbers escaped whitey’s racism and went home to Mother Africa

  32. The family of a teenage Girl Scout fatally stabbed in an east London park have made a desperate appeal for witnesses, as police confirmed the attack was entirely random and unprovoked.

    Jodie Chesney, 17, was killed as she sat listening to music and chatting with her boyfriend and a group of friends near a children’s playground in a park in Harold Hill, Romford on Friday evening.

    The Metropolitan Police said the teenagers had been aware of two men in the park who left at around 9pm without interacting with them.

    The force added in a statement: “Around 30 minutes later the pair returned to the park and walked straight towards the group, where one of the males stabbed Jodie once in the back. Nothing was said by the two suspects, who ran off in the direction of Retford Road.

    “The suspect who attacked Jodie is described as a black male aged in his late teens. There is no further description of him at this stage, nor is there any description of the other male.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/03/jodie-chesney-murder-police-confirm-two-men-carried-unprovoked/

  33. Dave –

    Which makes comments from certain idiots about London’s murders …

    This idiot has the delete button on his threads. I’ve warned you before about insulting me on my threads. If you must resort to insults when you disagree then discussions aren’t for you. You won’t get another warning.

    Phantom –

    New York and London are different places with different demographics, laws, welfare, traditions and levels of anti-family leftism. They’re not comparable.

  34. I think that they’re among the most comparable big cities in the world. They’re both among the –very– few true world cities.

    Comparisons are hugely useful. Corporations, sports teams and other organizations spend half their time comparing their own outfit with competitors.

    In your opinion, what cities should London be compared with then?

  35. The force said Jodie’s attacker was a black male in his late teens but gave no further details, and said there were no descriptions of the second suspect.

    Det Ch Insp Dave Whellams urged any witnesses who had not spoken to police yet to contact him.

    “There has been excellent support from the local community and a number of people have shared information with police, but there will be other witnesses and people with information that may prove crucial.

    “Although the description of the suspect is limited, I am certain that people will have seen the two males hanging around the park or running away from the scene – or will otherwise have noticed something suspicious. I need those people to call me.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47435863

  36. //two men in the park who left at around 9pm without interacting with them.

    The force added in a statement: “Around 30 minutes later the pair returned to the park and walked straight towards the group, where one of the males stabbed Jodie once in the back. //

    Looks like either racial hatred or sex envy.

  37. Harri, on March 3rd, 2019 at 7:57 PM Said:

    Phantom

    How do the demographics of the murder rate in American cities compare to London?

  38. Phantom, on March 4th, 2019 at 6:30 PM Said:
    I wouldn’t speculate.

    Phantom would never make a detective.

  39. Rule nothing out, rule nothing in.

    I don’t see any real detectives speculating.

  40. The force said Jodie’s attacker was a black male in his late teens but gave no further details, and said there were no descriptions of the second suspect.

    Det Ch Insp Dave Whellams urged any witnesses who had not spoken to police yet to contact him.

    “There has been excellent support from the local community and a number of people have shared information with police, but there will be other witnesses and people with information that may prove crucial.

    “Although the description of the suspect is limited, I am certain that people will have seen the two males hanging around the park or running away from the scene – or will otherwise have noticed something suspicious. I need those people to call me.”

  41. Phantom –

    London present can only really be compared with London past. That London and New York are a similar size isn’t relevant. As soon as you look into demographics alone the differences appear.

    Looks like either racial hatred or sex envy.

    It sounds like a gang initiation.

  42. Pete

    That would mean that NYC can only be compared with NYC and Tokyo can only be compared with Tokyo.

    In effect, you seem to say that no two cities can be compared. That’s not true.

    All comparisons are imperfect, but they do tell you something.

    Manchester United isn’t the same as Liverpool, but I guarantee you that the general managers of those teams are comparing every aspect of the two organizations all the time.

  43. Phantom –

    Tokyo has been barely enriched by Third World immigrants, so why compare it with cities full of stabby enrichment? It’s pointless.

    Look, you can compare middle class white professionals in London with their New York peers, and so on. Black working class vs black working class etc. That’s a legitimate comparison. But city vs city is irrelevant because it’s nowhere near enough detail.

  44. Don’t agree.

    London and NYC

    Virtually the same population size
    Both financial centers
    Both heavy users of mass transit
    Both have many tall towers ( London more recently than NY )
    Both have many immigrants, legal and illegal, from many different places
    Both have black hard working class
    You have more ( cough ) ” Asians ” but we have plenty of them too

    But any comparison over time ( not a quick study during a spike ) shows a) London safer than NYC, b) NYC safer than most American big cities.

    I suspect that you find the above result inconvenient to the London is Joburg narrative, which is why you say that comparisons are not possible.

  45. //All comparisons are imperfect, but they do tell you something. //

    When comparisions show more differences than similarities they are of little value.

    Everything can be compared with everything else, but a comparision is really meaningful only when there’s first a broad overlap; it’s only the general similarities that make the differences significant.

    In this case, it’s really only the trend in murder statistics in London itself – falling, rising or staying level – that has any real relevance.

    But, in fact, a random murder of an innocent young person is such an awful thing in itself that it should be considered without any external references. Even if there was only this one murder in London this year, it would still be reason enough to call a halt and find out what has gone so badly wrong that such a thing can happen, especially if Pete’s explanation – simply the initiation of a gang member – is right.

  46. There is a broad overlap between London and NYC.

    They’re for the most part rich urban centers of the same size that make their money the same way.

    They generally have the same positive and negative features.

  47. *sigh* But in the factors relevant to this kind of crime, those are nothing compared to the differences.

    NY, like all American cities, has always had a high crime rate. There were times when the city was plagued by dozens of large gangs of criminals who fought it out with machine guns. London never saw anything like that.

    Most murders in NYC are, I believe, committed by blacks. But blacks are just as native to America as anyone else is. There has been a black population in NY since before the US was even founded. This is fundamentally different to the relatively recent immigration situation in London.

    Also, immigrants in the UK generally arrived to a welfare state. They and their children were given very broad support and opportunities in life, through free education, endless social programmes etc.
    If that happened to the same degree in NY it happened relatively recently.

    All of these things have led to vastly different levels of expectation and acceptance in the two cities. What could be a satisfactory crime rate in a place like NY would be intolerable in a place like London. People always think in relative terms.

  48. I don’t know that NY has ” always ” had a ” high ” crime rate. It was generally very low in say the 1940s- 1950s, when it was common for people not to lock their doors when going outside.

    If London has that good a welfare state, shouldn’t that lead to less crime and a content population?

    To me, the acceptable level of crime is zero. But until we get there, lets keep comparing the homicide rates in London with other places.

    The exceptionally wonderful wiki teaches us that the number of homicides in London last year was -less- than in the average annual total between 1990-2003.

    Between 1990 and 2003 the number of homicides – i.e. murder, manslaughter, etc. – in London averaged 173 per year, with a low of 139 in 1996, and a high of 204 in 2003. The number then fell in each and every year between 2004 and 2014 to a new low of 83. They then rose sharply to 118 in 2015, followed by a fall to 110 in 2016.[23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34] In 2017 there was a further rise to 131, although this included the combined 14 victims of the Westminster Bridge (5), London Bridge (8), and Finsbury Park (1) terrorist attacks, but even with these major events was still lower than any year between 1990 and 2009.[35] As of 31st December 2018, there have been 132 homicides reported in London in 2018.[36]

  49. //If London has that good a welfare state, shouldn’t that lead to less crime and a content population?//

    Exactly. There is somehow an inevitability about crime in large American cities, because of the social situation, ghettos etc., that you should not get in London. But there it is.

    I think what bothers people so much is that the victims are generally so young, and that the perpetrators come primarily from one immigrant community. (again contasts to NY)

    Here’s an interesting report with statistics

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

    Knife crime in London has risen from 25K incidents to 40K in just 3 years, with homocides from knives rising from 180 to 280 in the same period.

    Yet police “stop and search” incidents fell in the 8-yr period by almost 75%, decreasing from 1,400,000 to 400,000 cases!

  50. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

    Looks like they have decent laws against switchblades etc. But are the laws on knives enforced?

    Like everything, knife laws vary by state here.

    The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once.

    Basic laws on knives
    It’s illegal to:

    sell a knife to anyone under 18, unless it has a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less
    carry a knife in public without good reason, unless it has a folding blade with a cutting edge 3 inches long or less
    carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
    use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife)
    Scotland
    In Scotland, 16 to 18 year olds are allowed to buy cutlery and kitchen knives.

    Lock knives
    Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason. Lock knives:

    have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button
    can include multi-tool knives – tools that also contain other devices such as a screwdriver or can opener
    Banned knives and weapons
    It is illegal to bring into the UK, sell, hire, lend or give anyone the following:

    butterfly knives (also known as ‘balisongs’) – a blade hidden inside a handle that splits in the middle
    disguised knives – a blade or sharp point hidden inside what looks like everyday objects such as a buckle, phone, brush or lipstick
    flick knives (also known as ‘switchblades’ or ‘automatic knives’) – a blade hidden inside a handle which shoots out when a button is pressed
    gravity knives
    stealth knives – a knife or spike not made from metal (except when used at home, for food or a toy)
    zombie knives – a knife with a cutting edge, a serrated edge and images or words suggesting it is used for violence
    swords, including samurai swords – a curved blade over 50cm (with some exceptions, such as antiques and swords made to traditional methods before 1954)
    sword-sticks – a hollow walking stick or cane containing a blade
    push daggers
    blowpipes (‘blow gun’)
    telescopic truncheons – extend automatically by pressing button or spring in the handle
    batons – straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons
    hollow kubotans – a cylinder-shaped keychain holding spikes
    shurikens (also known as ‘shaken’, ‘death stars’ or ‘throwing stars’)
    kusari-gama – a sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire
    kyoketsu-shoge – a hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire
    kusari (or ‘manrikigusari’) – a weight attached to a rope, cord, wire
    hand or foot-claws
    knuckledusters

    https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

  51. Pete Moore,

    This idiot has the delete button on his threads. I’ve warned you before about insulting me on my threads. If you must resort to insults when you disagree then discussions aren’t for you. You won’t get another warning.

    That comment wasn’t specifically directed at you.
    For a man who makes a post about people being insulted to easily that is truly pathetic. if Pete the little snowflake doesn’t want me to comment on his threads because he perceives I called him something is innocuous as an idiot then that’s fine.
    Don’t worry, I’ll be pointing out your hypocrisy yet again, when you mildly insult someone ATW.

  52. As always, nobody at ATW sees the African elephant in the room, and it is fascinating to watch such an exercise in wilful self-deception down this thread. Be clear that what we are told is…..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/de5abfe1363d37b450ba01e5ef77d8d18ea20a92222d7909ae8ec23e6bbd7edf.jpg

    and the stabber of that young girl, whose name and face will not be canonised like St Stephen, is supposedly in this country to pay for our pensions.

    On this matter but on a wider perspective, I can see why the globalists hate Putin…..

    https://russia-insider.com/en/russia-will-pay-14000-cash-families-who-have-3-or-more-children-putin-video/ri26344

    Dear Colleagues,

    Let me now share some specifics on our objectives. I will begin with the key objective of preserving our nation, which means providing all-around support to families.

    Family, childbirth, procreation and respect for the elderly have always served as a powerful moral framework for Russia.

    We have been doing everything in our power to strengthen family values and are committed to doing so in the future.

    In fact, our future is at stake.

    This is a task shared by the state, civil society, religious organisations, political parties and the media.

    Russia has entered an extremely challenging period in terms of demographics. As you know, the birth rate is declining.

    As I have already said, this is caused by purely objective reasons,

    which have to do with the immense human losses and birth dearth experienced by our country in the 20th century, during the Great Patriotic War

    and the dramatic years following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

    This does not mean, however, that we must accept this situation or come to terms with it. Definitely, not.

    A government which represents the people should ensure continuity of the people – anything less is treasonous, and that’s what Merkel, May, Sturgeon et al are. But Putin is not.

    I would like to emphasise that the package of measures to support families proposed today is not an exhaustive list of initiatives.

    It sets the priorities. Considering the challenges posed by the state of Russia’s demographics, we will continue to channel more and more resources into this area.

    I ask all of you, colleagues, including both the Government and the Federal Assembly, to think about it and suggest solutions.

  53. Allan

    We know that Mr. Putin is wonderfully wonderful, that’s a given
    .
    But can you please tell me why Moscow has more than four times the murder rate than Mogadishu London? I don’t think that there are very large numbers of blacks in Moscow

  54. Dave

    It seems Pete is invoking his hypocritical right to censor free speech at the same time as accusing ‘commies’ on another post of being against free speech.

  55. Happy to dish out verbal punches, “commie scum”, “lefties traitors “ “mentally ill liberals “ etc, but up comes the snowflake guard when a “lefty” makes a comment that doesn’t even name him but hurts his feelings.

    Dave did not deserve to be threatened with comment deletions and Pete should be the True Brit he claims to be and should “fight him on the pages “ of ATW rather than “ No Platform” him 😉

  56. But can you please tell me why Moscow has more than four times the murder rate than Mogadishu London?

    Phantom

    The Mafia

    If you have ever spent enough time in Eastern Europe, you would soon come to realise this.

  57. Colm, on March 5th, 2019 at 8:31 AM Said:

    So it’s a “White ting “ then Harri

    In Eastern Europe, most definitely

    In London, no.

  58. Less than a decade ago Glasgow and Coventry were the only cities in the UK to make the top ten most dangerous cities in Europe with the number one most dangerous city being in Russia:

    https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgow-one-most-dangerous-cities-12413140

    Gang violence was of course rife in Glasgow for decades:

    https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/history/violent-life-death-young-teams-12243019

    There was a fair bit of sectarianism in the city which contributed to its gang culture but of course where there are drugs there are also gangs and violence and London could well learn from Glasgow’s example.

    Some of the things which could be looked at:

    – Decriminalising / legalising personal drug use.

    – Mandatory sentence of five years with no remission for possessing knives in public places.

    – Proactive dedicated gang community policing unit to educate young people on gang violence and culture prior to gang grooming, perhaps at primary school level.

    – Increase in police officers on the ground and use of stop and search

    – Make parents of children below age of legal responsibility and older gang member groomers accountable.

    It sounds like a gang initiation.

    I agree Pete. The murder of this poor young woman seems like a ‘blood in’ initiation.

  59. I would agree with those five steps in dealing with gangs

    And yes, I’d believe you would have to start in the young grades of primary school .

    Would anyone know..If one is caught with an illegal knife in the UK – What would be the actual punishment that he would face? As a first time offender, or as a second time offender?

  60. Patrick Van Roy.

    Dave Pete is afraid to exchange verbal punches…..

    While he doesn’t do it very often, he will actually exchange ‘verbal punches’ and insult at the people. He actually did it quite recently to somebody, but I can’t find the post. No worries. he’ll do it again in the future. As I’ve repeatedly said, Pete’s massive hypocrite.

  61. Harri

    Lawlessness in Russia seems to go even beyond the mafia

    In the US, anyway the mafia was generally Not known to be involved in ordinary Street muggings etc. It was bad for business. They would break your head if you mugged somebody in their neighborhood

    I know three people personally who have visited Moscow and St. Petersburg separately , One for Business two for holiday. All experienced travelers. All three were harassed on the street by petty criminals In incidents that were frightening to them

    This is a very unscientific survey, I know but.it is what it is

    Russia seems to be such a lost, ruined, angry country. Horrible economy, On bad terms with many of its western neighbors

    I cannot possibly understand why there are those in here idolize it’s crooked leader, or who see that nation as admirable in some way,

  62. Colm,

    Happy to dish out verbal punches, “commie scum”, “lefties traitors “ “mentally ill liberals “ etc, but up comes the snowflake guard when a “lefty” makes a comment that doesn’t even name him but hurts his feelings.

    Pete’s feelings weren’t really hurt. in fact his reaction actually makes me happy, as I pointed out before, because it shows I’m getting under his skin. He’s so upset that he can’t actually challenge the facts of my post, which expose the total rubbish that he repeatedly posts about London being equivalent to Johannesburg or other cities with massively high crime rates. Or his many past posts, which contain equally ridiculous nonsense. I make him look stupid and dishonest, and he doesn’t like it. That’s why he keeps threatening to remove my posts. You see, Pete’s really a coward. He wants a platform where he can spout his rubbish without being challenged. He’s looking for any ridiculous excuse to shut me up.

    Dave did not deserve to be threatened with comment deletions and Pete should be the True Brit he claims to be and should “fight him on the pages “ of ATW rather than “ No Platform” him 😉

    Thanks for your support mate, I appreciate it.

  63. Phantom,

    My second eldest girl was mugged in Budapest last Sunday week. She was alone and three young men took her bag from her. Thankfully she wasn’t hurt and the didn’t take much but the experience shook her up.

    Dave, Belfast beer summit in August?

  64. Paul McMahon,

    Dave, Belfast beer summit in August?

    All things being equal, I should be there Paul.

  65. Patrick

    Could you do me a favour mate and send me Paul’s email addresses. Thank you.

  66. Paul McMahon,

    My second eldest girl was mugged in Budapest last Sunday week. She was alone and three young men took her bag from her. Thankfully she wasn’t hurt and the didn’t take much but the experience shook her up.

    I hope she was alright mate. That experience can be very frightening.
    A gang of polish lads attempted to mug me and my friend on the way back from the airport in Poland on the airport city bus. They tried to distract us, while one of them used a knife to Slash my mates back pocket to get at his wallet. The bus driver stopped next to a police car and sounded his horn, and the lads pressed the emergency exit button on the bus and fled. Is a very frightening experience, especially since they were obviously carrying knives.

  67. Poland had a lot of Romanian gypsies begging when I worked there. but my attempted mugging wasn’t Pikeys, it was polish scally’s.

  68. My daughter reported the mugging to the Hungarian plod and gave a description of the attackers. Snap Dave, they were Hungarian scallies, chavs, spides, smicks, neds. The cop said they were most likely junkies.

  69. A young friend of mine will be visiting Barcelona soon with friends.

    His mom is concerned about reports of street crime against visitors there.

    Would you have any comment on that?

  70. Be careful along La Ramblas and other crowded areas of the city as they are a mecca for pickpockets. Any crime against visitors tends to be of the non confrontational pickpocket / distract and grab type that Dave describes above rather than actual face to face muggings

    Tell him to be vigilant at ATMs, not to carry a wallet with all valuables together and carry any cards and small quantities of cash in different pockets.

  71. I’ve been in Barcelona many many times and never ever had any problems Phantom. Tell him not to be worried or frightened and as long as he uses common sense he’ll be fine.

    Noel, it’s the verb conocer as opposed to saber you’re looking for. I actually remember a Catalan friend telling me that I’d have no problem because I look more like a mugger than a muggee.

  72. My daughter reported the mugging to the Hungarian plod and gave a description of the attackers. Snap Dave, they were Hungarian scallies, chavs, spides, smicks, neds. The cop said they were most likely junkies.

    They were most likely pikeys.

  73. Yes, I’d certainly consider three young men being cowardly enough to take a bag from a singular young woman to be members of the underclass.

  74. “saber” means to know something, is it?

    Yes, Paul, I was thinking if my sign appeared with a picture of your tatoos. 🙂

    Pity you lose your Belfast brogue when speaking Spanish. That’s enough to scare the bejaysus out of anyone.

  75. Saber to have knowledge of something. Conocer to have an acquaintance with someone, (however slight).

    When I speak Spanish I do, (unconcsiously), lose my Belfast brogue however when speaking English here I have made a deliberate decision never to modify my quite broad Belfast accent no matter how difficult it may be to understand.

  76. Paul McMahon,

    My daughter reported the mugging to the Hungarian plod and gave a description of the attackers. Snap Dave, they were Hungarian scallies, chavs, spides, smicks, neds. The cop said they were most likely junkies.

    I’m not sure what context you mean this post in Paul.

  77. I’m saying that the cops said that like your Polish theives they were scallies and most likely junkies looking for cash.

    The other words are regional names for scallies.

  78. Lol. I’m just picturing Paul down the local shop: “Como estàs, big lawd?”

  79. Paul.

    Fair enough mate.
    I couldn’t tell if you were being sarcastic or not.
    ATW is a crazy place. 😁

  80. On a vaguely Spanish theme…I see the mighty Madrid are getting a Dutch spanking in their own backyard. Opens things up for the European Cup big time now.

  81. Couldn’t see them beaten enough. I can’t stand the sight of them.

    A bunch of arrogant, self-entitled primadonnas

  82. Police investigating this girl’s murder have just arrested a man in Leicester, it appears.

    Let’s hear it for the cops.

  83. It is good. Let’s hope they have the murderer and we hear the news of charges today.

  84. My neighbours son goes to Runshaw college. I’ll have to ask him about this incident.

  85. //Its a black ting, //

    The man now charged with her murder has a very Slavic – Croatian or Serbian – name.

    Harri, maybe he’s even from Slovakia.

  86. It’ll now morph into an anti EU immigration thing as they try to claw back on the seemingly incorrect ‘assumptions’ that Pete refers to above Noel.

  87. Noel, on March 9th, 2019 at 10:01 AM Said:
    //Its a black ting, //

    The man now charged with her murder has a very Slavic – Croatian or Serbian – name.

    Harri, maybe he’s even from Slovakia.

    Hang him

    Hang him high.

  88. Noel, on March 9th, 2019 at 10:01 AM Said:
    //Its a black ting, //

    The man now charged with her murder has a very Slavic – Croatian or Serbian – name.

    Harri, maybe he’s even from Slovakia.

    You dopey liberals are weird?

    What is it, with you and skin colour?

  89. Oooops!

    Im getting like Noel here posting too many posts and too fast?

    Still, I can always blame WordPress…..or something, or other.

    😁

  90. Noel, on March 9th, 2019 at 10:01 AM Said:
    //Its a black ting, //

    The man now charged with her murder has a very Slavic – Croatian or Serbian – name.

    Harri, maybe he’s even from Slovakia.

    Or Slovenia?

    The perp might be white?

    See how enthusiastic the liberals are to report it?

    Not so quick when it goes against their white saviour credentials.

    Racists.

    😏

  91. There seems to be indications he was in fact Slovak, and, no, not a Pikey.

    I don’t know why they let these Slovaks into the UK in the first place.

  92. I don’t know why they let these Slovaks into the UK in the first place.

    Open borders!

    😏

  93. Harri

    Being a liberal snowflake, I now have to sob for 20 minutes and then tell the police I’ve been the victim of a hate crime.

  94. There seems to be indications he was in fact Slovak, and, no, not a Pikey

    So, it seems that this was a case of ‘import Slovakia get Slovakia’ then?

    Meanwhile, I’d read that there were indications that the Spanish kid stabbed to death in east London knew his attacker. Judging by the name of the kid charged it seems that he also comes from a Spanish background:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47507630

    There’s also the heartbreaking story in Newry where seemingly a Colombian immigrant and her fifteen year old daughter were strangled by her (Irish) partner before he took his own life:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47498906

    As that can’t be used as currency to push an ulterior motive it’ll hardly get a mention on ATW though.

  95. So, it seems that this was a case of ‘import Slovakia get Slovakia’ then?

    Meanwhile, I’d read that there were indications that the Spanish kid stabbed to death in east London knew his attacker. Judging by the name of the kid charged it seems that

    he

    also comes from a Spanish background:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47507630

    There’s also the heartbreaking story in Newry where seemingly a Colombian immigrant and her fifteen year old daughter were strangled by her (Irish) partner before he took his own life:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47498906

    Those pesky whites.

    😏

  96. // a case of ‘import Slovakia get Slovakia’//

    A tragic subject, but I have to laugh at that one.

    Yes, also a very sad story from Newry. I thought the killer was a Scot.

    I wonder will there be many such rage killings next Tuesday and Wednesday after the votes in the House of Commons…..

    I think we should all keep a close eye on our neighbours and fellow commenters in these trying times. We must make sure they know we are always available for them to talk to if they ever need someone.

  97. If only the House of Commons were like the members of this Tangled Web. A bunch of raving nutters who deep down have great love and respect for each other ! Aaaaaaah 🥰🥰

  98. Noel, on March 9th, 2019 at 11:13 AM Said:
    There seems to be indications he was in fact Slovak, and, no, not a Pikey.

    I don’t know why they let these Slovaks into the UK in the first place.

    Try Croatian.

    I don’t know (apart from open borders) why they let these Croatians into the UK in the first place.

  99. So, it seems that this was a case of ‘import Slovakia get Slovakia’ then?

    Er…nope.

  100. So, it seems that this was a case of ‘import Slovakia get Slovakia’ then?

    Still, I suppose in Paul and Noels defence, all these Slavs look the same.

    😏

  101. Still, I suppose in Paul and Noels defence, all these Slavs look the same

    As Noel is married to one Harri I’d certainly hope not!

  102. //As Noel is married to one Harri I’d certainly hope not!//

    But no fear of accidental Slav wife swapping. My wife used to play basketball on the national team while Harri says his is only four ft 2 inches small.

  103. “while Harri says his is only four ft 2 inches small.”

    Er…. I mean of course HIS WIFE.

  104. Lol!

    😁

    By the way, you can thank your lucky stars my Wife doesn’t know you said she is only four feet two inches..

    And she has exceptionally small hands, and is only four feet eleven inches tall.

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