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I noticed IRA boss Martin McGuinness made the following comment.

“Sinn Fein will not do Tory austerity. Unlike the Tory millionaires, I live in the heart of the proud working-class community of the Bogside in Derry,” the Deputy First Minister said. “The people the Tories are targeting are my friends, my neighbours, my family. They are fine, hard-working, proud and decent; just like our people in working-class unionist communities.”

When McGuinness talks about “targeting” people I dare say he knows what he is talking about.

As for the “targets” of Welfare reform, does he mean those families who DO NOT WORK but receive the equivalent in Welfare of a £100,000 salary? Does he mean the 6000 households where no on works but are in receipt of £30,000 income. As a point of comparison, the average WORKING person in the private sector commands £21,836. In essence, McGuinness is insisting that it must pay NOT to work. Provonomics.

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  1. McGuinness is insisting that it must pay NOT to work. Provonomics

    Except of course he’s not insisting that at all:

    “The people the Tories are targeting are my friends, my neighbours, my family. They are fine, hard-working , proud and decent; just like our people in working-class unionist communities.”

    You really need to let go of that ‘yeah, but what about the IRA’ at every turn and twist David, it’s so 1990’s. Uber unionism is dead and buried with a stake through its heart and it’s not coming back.

  2. Ignoring the linguistic flannel, how is the government, in the sense that McGuinness means it, targeting “working people”?

  3. Possibly because the majority of ‘working people’ depend on the public sector for services which will ultimately be affected by cuts?

  4. Well that would depend on what you mean by “depends”. No-one with a job needs a government bureaucrat for anything.

    But even so, what cuts? Spending and borrowing are up. There are no cuts and there is no austerity. These are myths, or Left Wing lies in plain English.

  5. I don’t know until we see the budget Harri, it’s a hypothesis. That’s why I used the conditional ‘possibly’

    Where do you think that they’ll make cuts?

  6. Where do you think that they’ll make cuts?

    The Welfare state needs Armageddon rained down upon it for a start.

    Foreign aid unfortunately will continue to pour into those Central Bank for distribution to those needy Warlords to purchase yet more diamond encrusted Lear jets, 22ct gold plated AK47’s, and all the jingly-jangly stuff those warlords and their private armies can carry on their wrists and arms.

    The MOD could do with a clear-out.

    The councils could be forced to include austerity starting from the top down.

    The list is endless when it comes to government, whitehall and local aouthorites throwing money down the d

  7. Left wing lies?

    Like the *cough, cough, 250,000 who attended the anti everything austerity cuts yesterday.

    Even the BBC, shock, horror, peddled the lie with glee.

    It was a touch over 17,000.

    Not that far out then. 😉

  8. The Welfare state needs Armageddon rained down upon it for a start

    The councils could be forced to include austerity starting from the top down

    Well, there’s some very general examples of public sector services which working people depend on?

  9. Well, there’s some very general examples of public sector services which working people depend on?

    I should think not too many folk rely on someone earning 250k as ‘Leader’ of their local council.

    The Welfare state needs to be forensically taken apart.

  10. I should think not too many folk rely on someone earning 250k as ‘Leader’ of their local council

    That point is irrelevant to working people depending on the council for services.

    What do you mean by the ‘welfare state’ and what parts of it need to be ‘forensically taken apart?’

  11. That point is irrelevant to working people depending on the council for services.

    Really?

    I will remember that when my next ‘demand’ for yet even more cash hits the doormat.

  12. You really think that someone who hasn’t got their bin emptied or who’s street lights aren’t working immediately thinks that?

    Now, would you like to explain what you mea by ‘welfare state’ and what parts of it ‘need to be forensically taken apart?’

  13. Now, would you like to explain what you mea by ‘welfare state’ and what parts of it ‘need to be forensically taken apart?’

    All of it, the system is not fit for purpose.

    I can’t make it any plainer than that.

    Bring back national service, all is forgiven.

    Paul McMahon, on June 22nd, 2015 at 8:44 PM Said:
    You really think that someone who hasn’t got their bin emptied or who’s street lights aren’t working immediately thinks that?

    Someone who is told ‘sorry no cash to empty your bins’ sweep the streets, or turn those lights on, but .. the council ‘leader’ will be getting a raise to 300k with immediate effect, Paul, people are not stupid,

  14. Who’s this guy who will be getting a raise to 300k with immediate effect Harri?

  15. HALF of council chiefs earn more than the PM: Despite protesting about cuts, they won’t give up fat salaries

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356720/HALF-council-chiefs-earn-PM-David-Cameron-wont-cut-salaries.html#ixzz3dpC8XJ6D

    The council chiefs on more than £200,000 in salary and perks

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/the-council-chiefs-on-more-than-200000-in-salary-and-perks-8547953.html

    I can’t really be bothered to go through the list, it’s far too long.

  16. Paul

    a system that allows the government of a country to provide social services such as healthcare, unemployment benefit, etc. to people who need them, paid for by taxes

    Yep, that’s the one.

    Take it apart piece by piece and rebuild it.

  17. I can’t really be bothered to go through the list, it’s far too long

    Yeah, I googled that one too but which one’s your man who’s ‘getting a raise to 300k with immediate effect?’

    A system that allows the government of a country to provide social services such as healthcare, unemployment benefit, etc. to people who need them, paid for by taxes

    Yep, that’s the one

    Thanks Harri. With that quote you demonstrate my point that the majority of working people’ depend on the public sector for services which will ultimately be affected by cuts

  18. Yeah, I googled that one too but which one’s your man who’s ‘getting a raise to 300k with immediate effect?’

    Nit-picking.

    You are very good at that.

    Thanks Harri. With that quote you demonstrate my point that the majority of working people’ depend on the public sector for services which will ultimately be affected by cuts

    Jesus H Christ.

    Have you been drinking?

  19. Paul

    What public service cuts?

    I am off for an early night, you have some considerable amount of time make some up.

  20. There is nothing like an early start to the day.

    Slash your pay, council fat cat on £300k is told

    A FRESH row over public sector pay erupted last night after it was revealed that Britain’s best-paid council chief earns more than double the Prime ­Minister’s annual salary.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/212179/Slash-your-pay-council-fat-cat-on-300k-is-told

    Six-figure pay-off of £269,000 is second made to Brighton and Hove council chief

    http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/13344498.Six_figure_pay_off_of___269_000_is_second_made_to_Brighton_and_Hove_council_chief/

  21. Nit-picking.
    You are very good at that

    Nit picking? Let’s see:

    I should think not too many folk rely on someone earning 250k as ‘Leader’ of their local council

    I will remember that when my next ‘demand’ for yet even more cash hits the doormat

    The council ‘leader’ will be getting a raise to 300k with immediate effect

    That’s what you said so who is this ‘leader’ and what council do they ‘lead?’

    What public service cuts?
    I am off for an early night, you have some considerable amount of time make some up.

    Yet again I have to repeat what I said at 7:59 yesterday:

    I don’t know until we see the budget Harri, it’s a hypothesis. That’s why I used the conditional ‘possibly’

    Now, prior to that I said

    The majority of ‘working people’ depend on the public sector for services which will ultimately be affected by cuts

    I then asked you,

    Where do you think that they’ll make cuts?

    To which you replied:

    The Welfare state needs Armageddon rained down upon it for a start

    I asked you which part of the Welfare State you meant and you replied

    All of it

    And

    A system that allows the government of a country to provide social services such as healthcare, unemployment benefit, etc. to people who need them, paid for by taxes

    Yep, that’s the one

    ‘Working people’ primarily depend on the ‘welfare state’ via the NHS for health care. Now you see how you prove my point?

    If you can’t understand the simple logic of that interaction perhaps it’s you who’ve been drinking?

  22. Most everybody here supports some major elements of the welfare state, except maybe Pete.

    Details upon request.

  23. I agree Phantom although Harri, by his own admission, wants it ‘forensically taken apart’

  24. There are parts of it that we all agree should be disposed of. ( All enticements for undesirable immigration, the dole for shirkers, etc )

    But these guys would be the first ones to howl if all elements of the welfare state were taken away, which would impact them whether they know it or not.

  25. For once i totally agree Paul.
    There is way too much hysterical generalising (particularly here on ATW) when it comes to any mention of welfare and the State Sector.

  26. JM, on June 23rd, 2015 at 3:49 PM Said:
    For once i totally agree Paul.
    There is way too much hysterical generalising (particularly here on ATW) when it comes to any mention of welfare and the State Sector.

    The hysteria reaches fever pitch when those ‘Savage cuts’ are mentioned.

  27. The hysteria reaches fever pitch when those ‘Savage cuts’ are mentioned

    True Harri.

    The Welfare state needs Armageddon rained down upon it for a start

  28. Come and live my life for a few weeks Harri.
    See how you get on with my ‘Gold plated Pension’ and my Welfare payments.
    You might just change your mind.

  29. JM

    Could not agree more, now we are actually getting to the point, ‘Gold plated pensions’?

    As I said, austerity from the top down, Politicians who make the rules (welfare or otherwise) Whitehall mandarins, council ‘Chiefs’ NHS ‘directors’ quango CEO’s. just a small sample from a long list of lottery win salaries, gold plated pensions… then when they have felt the pain, they can start to inflict it upon the rest of us.

    Of course. Paul Mc missed the point with his usual spectacular style.

    When the street lights are left on, when the bins are emptied on time and the streets are swept clean as per enormous amounts of d

  30. JM

    Could not agree more, now we are actually getting to the point, ‘Gold plated pensions’?

    As I said, austerity from the top down, Politicians who make the rules (welfare or otherwise) Whitehall mandarins, council ‘Chiefs’ NHS ‘directors’ quango CEO’s. just a small sample from a long list of lottery win salaries, gold plated pensions… then when they have felt the pain, they can start to inflict it upon the rest of us.

    Of course. Paul Mc missed the point with his usual spectacular style.

    When the street lights are left on, when the bins are emptied on time and the streets are swept clean as per enormous amounts of direct and indirect tax including council tax, then maybe we can start to discuss and agree with the chosen ones if and it is a very big IF, they are worth the lottery win salaries.

  31. The Welfare state needs Armageddon rained down upon it for a start

    Top down.

    Get it now Paul?

    I doubt it sadly.

  32. The Welfare state needs Armageddon rained down upon it for a start

    Top down

    Get it now Paul?

    Probably not

    Instead of using hyperbolic generalisations why don’t you explain to me step by step instead of using the ‘hysteria fever pitch’ that you accuse others of above Harri?

  33. Instead of using hyperbolic generalisations why don’t you explain to me step by step instead of using the ‘hysteria fever pitch’ that you accuse others of above Harri?

    Paul, Instead of using hyperbolic generalisations about those ‘savage cuts’, why don’t you explain to me where you think those cuts could ‘possibly’ be made step by step instead of using the ‘hysteria fever pitch’ you mentioned.

    You might be more than okay with someone on lottery win salaries telling folk that there £59 a week needs ‘looking at’ (possibly), or sorry we will have to cut services ‘possibility’ but out CEO’s and Leaders will not be taking a cut, in fact they are to get huge increases in their pay and perks .. and you are okay with that?

  34. Paul, Instead of using hyperbolic generalisations about those ‘savage cuts’, why don’t you explain to me where you think those cuts could ‘possibly’ be made step by step instead of using the ‘hysteria fever pitch’ you mentioned

    Harri, I hate to point this out to you mate but the only person to use the terms ‘savage cuts’ on this thread has been you. Likewise with your ‘hysteria fever pitch’ language of ‘armageddon being rained’ on your hyperbolic generalisation ‘welfare state’.

    So please, rather than foolishly attempt to turn the question around to me, as you are the one arguing for the ‘welfare state’ to be slashed why not give us your ideas on how it should be done without targeting those working people that McGuinness speaks about in the article…….that is if you have any.

  35. So please, rather than foolishly attempt to turn the question around to me

    Of course because that’s so unlike you Paul.

    😉

    £17 Billion of waste and fraud in the welfare system, lets start with that.

    Paul.

    What non-savage cuts do you think will be made?

  36. £17 Billion of waste and fraud in the welfare system, lets start with that.

    More geeralisation Harri? Details my dear boy, details.

  37. £17BILLION: That’s how much tax credit fraud and blunders have cost Britain over a 10-year period
    More than £23million a week is being handed out in error in tax credits
    Payments given to people who have either lied or given wrong details
    George Osborne is expected to target tax credits in the next Budget
    By JACK DOYLE POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3136766/17billion-s-tax-credit-fraud-blunders-cost-Britain-10-year-period.html#ixzz3e0FPINaJ

    Paul.

    Your turn.

  38. Ah, replacing Trident missiles, that’s really going to hurt those welfare recipients you were banging on about.

    Good grief.

  39. Ah, replacing Trident missiles, that’s really going to hurt those welfare recipients you were banging on about

    Eh? You’re the only person who’s been banging on about ‘ welfare recipients?’ I’ve constantly referred to working people.

    But yes, you’re inadvertantly correct as my choice was designed to have minimal effect on those public sector services which working people depend on, the same ones you want ‘forensically taken apart’.

    For an engineer it sometimes seems as if you have problems following plain English.

    As to the claims from the perpetually outraged’s Bible Bible:

    Ahem,

    http://www.jointpublicissues.org.uk/861/

    http://www.jdavidmorgan.co.uk/wordpress/?p=78

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/mar/17/dailymail-pcc

    Details dear boy, details.

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